tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post1117776269437205637..comments2024-03-29T11:10:02.290+00:00Comments on The IPKat: Breaking News: Enlarged Board appeals - direct to the Administrative CouncilVerónica RodrÃguez Arguijohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05763207846940036921noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-57244445366913759212014-12-11T17:13:15.052+00:002014-12-11T17:13:15.052+00:00Referring to the EBA letter of 8 December 2014:
I...Referring to the EBA letter of 8 December 2014:<br /><br />It is said that this letter was marked "confidential". <br /><br />Can anyone see a reason for this classification?<br /><br />There isn't any information in that letter that should be confidential. <br /><br />Moreover, this letter should be publically available in order to achieve some effect. It is an important statement from an important institution.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-26164799571159135932014-12-11T14:06:05.463+00:002014-12-11T14:06:05.463+00:00You think it was Angela Merkel? :-)
The EBA Regis...You think it was Angela Merkel? :-)<br /><br />The EBA Registrar's email with the latest judges' letters was timed at 9:12 this morning. If I read the filename correctly, it seems to have been uploaded to EPLAW just over two hours later, at 11:34. That's a pretty fast leak!<br /><br />http://www.eplawpatentblog.com/2014/December/201412111134.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-46419965533659059292014-12-11T13:41:13.122+00:002014-12-11T13:41:13.122+00:00Intended to be confidential ... Let's do the n...Intended to be confidential ... Let's do the numbers and see how realistic that intention could have been:<br /><br />35 internal EBA<br />20 external judges<br />38 AC delegations with 2 reps each<br />BB copied on the letter<br /><br />That's 132 actual writers/addressees. Give each external judge or AC rep just one secretary/assistant/clerk and pretend it went no further in the EPO or civil service of each country. We're up to 228 people who'd have been expected to see the letter, even before sharing with their colleagues, ministers, staff, etc. I'd be amazed if Merkel didn't get several leaks .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-51115976886662773172014-12-11T12:49:53.104+00:002014-12-11T12:49:53.104+00:00The EBA members who wrote the letters clearly inte...The EBA members who wrote the letters clearly intended them to be confidential, so it may them who requested that they be taken down.<br /><br />An interesting question would be who leaked them in the first place. It has to be a member of the EBA, the AC or the external judges, or their respective staff. Or someone in the President's office.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-51865895922054591532014-12-11T12:15:20.761+00:002014-12-11T12:15:20.761+00:00The letters may have been taken down as they are c...The letters may have been taken down as they are considered rare and valuable. Like a Banksy, it is on the wall one minute, and the next thing you know the wall has gone. Luckily the whole IPKat was not taken with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-33530349691504053882014-12-11T11:01:14.768+00:002014-12-11T11:01:14.768+00:00>The EBoA letter to the AC of 8 December 2014 h...>The EBoA letter to the AC of 8 December 2014 has indeed been taken down now from techrights-site mentioned in post of 10 December 2014 at 16:26:00 and is no longer available there. <br /><br />No it hasn't and yes it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-90447185455264399732014-12-11T09:27:21.113+00:002014-12-11T09:27:21.113+00:00The EBoA letter to the AC of 8 December 2014 has i...The EBoA letter to the AC of 8 December 2014 has indeed been taken down now from techrights-site mentioned in post of 10 December 2014 at 16:26:00 and is no longer available there. <br /><br />What is going on?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-68169728941350823052014-12-11T09:07:54.482+00:002014-12-11T09:07:54.482+00:00I have to post here. It is the only place I can f...I have to post here. It is the only place I can find my employees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-49643626903793566482014-12-10T20:42:42.352+00:002014-12-10T20:42:42.352+00:00Let see if this time ipkat accept my comment.
In ...Let see if this time ipkat accept my comment.<br /><br />In addition to letter of enlarge appeal board, lord justice Floyd of GB appeal court and general advocate Van Peursem of Netherland supreme court wrote to administrating council. These are also members of appeal boards. Same letter is to all other members of appeal boards who are not in EPA to get signed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-56164231773318201482014-12-10T17:39:57.486+00:002014-12-10T17:39:57.486+00:00"All hail the self-righteous."
Hey Mr. ..."All hail the self-righteous."<br /><br />Hey Mr. President, you shouldn't be posting here on this blog!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-63362991803119574652014-12-10T16:59:10.858+00:002014-12-10T16:59:10.858+00:00Wots comprehension o great one?
Are superiority c...Wots comprehension o great one?<br /><br />Are superiority complexes a pre-requisite for becoming an examiner, or where you so superior you felt the need to move on?<br /><br />All hail the self-righteous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-5338976394849197692014-12-10T16:26:51.522+00:002014-12-10T16:26:51.522+00:00Forgot to insert the link:
http://techrights.org/2...Forgot to insert the link:<br />http://techrights.org/2014/12/09/exclusive-eboa/<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-39322786986176847512014-12-10T16:24:38.945+00:002014-12-10T16:24:38.945+00:00Have a look here.
Move quickly before it is "...Have a look here.<br /><br />Move quickly before it is "taken down on request" ... :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-80269128423921772932014-12-10T15:31:32.315+00:002014-12-10T15:31:32.315+00:00Anon 15:11:
According to the "techrights&quo...Anon 15:11:<br /><br />According to the "techrights" blog (where the letter can still be seen: see http://techrights.org/2014/12/09/exclusive-eboa/ for details) the letter was signed by the following EBoA members:<br /><br />Gabriele Alt<br />Graham Ashley<br />Gianni Assi<br />Ingo Beckedorf<br />Fritz Blumer<br />Tamas Bokor<br />Brnhard Czech<br />Albert de Vires<br />Eugene Dufrasne<br />Franz Edilinger<br />Gunnar Eiasson<br />Kevin Garnett<br />Pascal Gryozka<br />Andre Klein<br />Thomas Kriner<br />Albert Linder<br />Hugo Meinders<br />Rainer Moufang<br />Ulrich Oswald<br />Michael Poock<br />Giovanni Pricolo<br />Gaston Raths<br />Joseph Riolo<br />Marco Ruggiu<br />Werner Sieber<br />Fred van der Voort<br />Bianca ter Laan<br />Claude Vallet<br />Martin Vogel<br />Gerard Weiss<br />Stefan Wibergh<br />Manfred Wieser<br />Michael Harrison<br />Marie-Bernadette Tardo-Dino<br />Wolfgang SeretarukAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-1050181323948280362014-12-10T15:11:51.826+00:002014-12-10T15:11:51.826+00:00Can someone please tell which of the legal members...Can someone please tell which of the legal members of the EBA signed the letter?<br /><br />Background: We have a case of alleged partiality against VP3 pending at EBA, and the indication is that the legal member of the EBA is of the opinion that R19/12 is a unitary - and wrong - decision, and that the VP3 is not "partial due to office collision".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-9090167121034596432014-12-10T13:54:24.987+00:002014-12-10T13:54:24.987+00:00@Anonymous ranter 19:22 and 17:06
I am the "...@Anonymous ranter 19:22 and 17:06<br /><br />I am the "previous commenter" whose response seems to have inflamed your anger.<br /><br />I don't know where you got your qualifications, but they don't seem to have tested your reading comprehension much, since I made it clear in my original comment that I actually have the European qualification (cf. "EQE gauntlet"). I am also qualified at the national level in not just one but two different countries. And I have been working in private practice for quite a few years now, with considerable success.<br /><br />Anyway, you don't seem to have appreciated my "modest proposal" much, yet this is how access to the profession is regulated in e.g. Japan, which is not what I would call a nonentity in the patent world.<br /><br />Given your temper and lack of attention to written detail, I absolutely look forward to facing you some day in Oral Proceedings: I believe that both me and the Opposition Division/Board of Appeal involved would enjoy the moment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-25428369221233190202014-12-10T10:15:08.729+00:002014-12-10T10:15:08.729+00:00On what basis can one person doubt the competence ...On what basis can one person doubt the competence of another if they have never had professional dealings with them?<br /><br />In what sense is it wrong for a person to claim to be knowledgeable about a subject?<br /><br />I am reminded of recent BoA decisions where the Board members claimed to be technical experts and rejected the patentees' requests for their expert witnesses to speak.<br /><br />The behaviour of el Presidente is typical of the behavior of certain Appeal Boards. The problems are endemic within the organisation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-31822335936970586752014-12-09T23:42:03.793+00:002014-12-09T23:42:03.793+00:00Why ipkat is not publish my informations from appe...Why ipkat is not publish my informations from appeal boards? Is publish many comments more bad about president. Why not? Ipkat explain please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-50062283064431035932014-12-09T23:33:35.583+00:002014-12-09T23:33:35.583+00:00Anon 2150
Here, here! As an examiner I have witnes...Anon 2150<br />Here, here! As an examiner I have witnessed my colleagues suffering unfairly. I've seen managers lose the ability or will to manage. I've seen people who have never been on strike for a day be driven to express their fear the only way the president allows. That more than anything upsets me. There is a plan, I presume. But that plan requires fear. There is no attempt to achieve consensus. No attempt to face a common goal. The only motivation is fear of 'will I be next?'. But now the staff have been pushed to a point where fear is no longer good enough and now the fear has to be matched with actions. Fire one to frighten 1000.<br />In the end it will fail. A lack of human empathy will lead to mistakes. The Enlarged Board has spoken out about at least one. Others may follow. It may not solve the problem in the short term, but the cat is out of the bag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-43221946211327928202014-12-09T23:02:58.213+00:002014-12-09T23:02:58.213+00:00Not subject to the laws of the country where it is...Not subject to the laws of the country where it is situated, and allegedly unconcerned by human rights?<br /><br />GuantanEPO? <br /><br />That is the nature of the allegations.<br /><br />For the sake of the EPO the AC needs to get to the bottom of this. <br /><br />And while thinking about human rights, note Article 17(2) of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union. We need examiners examining.Meldrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09841440718012449720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-36134232430293489912014-12-09T21:50:49.602+00:002014-12-09T21:50:49.602+00:00Dear fellow examiners,
Can you please stop being n...Dear fellow examiners,<br />Can you please stop being nasty to the attorneys, at the moment they are actually the only ones who seem to care about what is happening.<br />Dear attorneys,<br />Please understand that when you see within two month time first a staff rep being removed from his office by Men in Black, then a second staff rep being suspended and then a BoA member being escorted out by Men in Black, it scares you witless. Most of us came to the office with the intention to stay. Many of us are married to people of the host countries or to someone from work but with other nationalities.<br />The idea to get kicked out and having to sort where the hell to go plus<br />having to explain to your kids that they have to leave their friends and move to a country they hardly know is not fun. <br />We tend to forget that there are lots of people in exactly the same situation and going through all this with the difference of earning less and having no savings. <br />I have friends who have been discriminated at their work because of their ethnic origin or because they choose to have kids. They theoretically could have gone to court but choose not to, there was no realistic chance to win.<br />It is certainly true when you say that we are spoiled and that this is the way the world is.<br />But I also think that it is or right to protest when accepted principles of laws are broken and power is abused. <br />I thank all of you who have shown that they support our protest and who have written letters to the delgates, because the delegates do not listen to us.<br />And thank you IP-cat and all other bloggers who care about what is happening to this office, if things ever get back to normal then it is because of you.<br />A cat loving examinerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-4450475509691263902014-12-09T21:24:12.214+00:002014-12-09T21:24:12.214+00:00sorry I meant anon 19.22, not 19.13sorry I meant anon 19.22, not 19.13Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-34201121804368129022014-12-09T21:17:44.125+00:002014-12-09T21:17:44.125+00:00Don't feed the troll.Don't feed the troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-11685221028675668692014-12-09T21:10:03.460+00:002014-12-09T21:10:03.460+00:00Today, all most all members of appeal boards - not...Today, all most all members of appeal boards - not those signing letter of enlarge appeal board - a letter to administrating council. This is short letter which is reference to Article 23. Some meetings with administrating council members were unhappy. Fail to see any problem with president trying intimidating judges. One even say he vote for what president propose even when not knowing details because president gives not details. Said he has to vote so vote for president. Is scandal that administrating council do not insist seeing what is voting? Is not sure now that administrating council will get letter because president stopping it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-79531741751523834162014-12-09T20:55:32.006+00:002014-12-09T20:55:32.006+00:00to anon 19.13: If you are so good, why don't y...to anon 19.13: If you are so good, why don't you go work at the EPO and teach those incompetent examiners how to do the job?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com