tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post1699360586456187535..comments2024-03-18T17:10:35.838+00:00Comments on The IPKat: The German Piratenpartei: a preliminary assessmentVerónica Rodríguez Arguijohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05763207846940036921noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-58759758163794330232009-06-24T16:11:23.643+01:002009-06-24T16:11:23.643+01:00Fair comment, cabalamat, but the EPO scenarios mad...<i>Fair comment, cabalamat, but the EPO scenarios made clear that they weren't intended to be predictions or forecasts but just "what ifs?". The idea was to present all the issues (IP is a very wide topic) in a way that would get people thinking/discussing about the consequences or effects for them.</i><br /><br />Sure.<br /><br /><i>PP may become a bigger force, but what about the influence of China/India? That may make the PP policies irrelevant.</i><br /><br />Can you explain? I don't see how that could happen.<br /><br />As I see it, BRIC countries, including China and India, chafe against the reveloped world's IP regime (such as the WIPO treaty) which they consider to be contrary to their interests.<br /><br />Given that Pirate Parties wish to get rid of many of the provisions of the world IP regime -- e.g. regarding patents and DRM -- it seems likely to me that the trade policies of BRIC countries will align with PP's underlying philosphy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-86698316975056430742009-06-24T10:53:35.250+01:002009-06-24T10:53:35.250+01:00I wonder if the "Pirate Party" has duly ...I wonder if the "Pirate Party" has duly protected its brand image...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-50909466070818290032009-06-24T08:40:26.749+01:002009-06-24T08:40:26.749+01:00Fair comment, cabalamat, but the EPO scenarios mad...Fair comment, cabalamat, but the EPO scenarios made clear that they weren't intended to be predictions or forecasts but just "what ifs?". The idea was to present all the issues (IP is a very wide topic) in a way that would get people thinking/discussing about the consequences or effects for them. The only rules were that they were relevant, plausible and challenging. As you say, the bit about PP is possible/plausible, relevant and certainly challenging to the traditional IP circles but it shouldn't be seen in isolation from other parts of the scenarios - too many people focus only on their own part of an issue or their own particular area of interest and miss the many other factors. PP may become a bigger force, but what about the influence of China/India? That may make the PP policies irrelevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-39558309373114190832009-06-23T16:28:07.926+01:002009-06-23T16:28:07.926+01:00Anonymous: The ‘pirates’ all but disappeared after...Anonymous: <i>The ‘pirates’ all but disappeared after a<br />terrible performance in the European Parliament elections of 2014, when<br />their agenda had been almost totally hijacked by other parties</i>.<br /><br />That scenario is possible, and I doubt if Pirates will mind that much if it happens; as with the Green movement, the Pirate movement is bound to start having its policies stolen as it starts to become successful.<br /><br />But the problem with the scenario as specified is its far too early. Assuming PP isn't a flash in the pan, the 2014 will see an expansion of PP across many European countries -- either a minor breakethrough with c.10 MEPs and 2-3% of the vote or a major breakthrough with 7-15% of the vote and maybe 80 MEPs. It's only after then that the other parties will even begin to copy PP policies, and if that does happen it probably won't be the end of PP, since it wasn't for the Greens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-84005457081703965602009-06-23T16:20:28.638+01:002009-06-23T16:20:28.638+01:00Anon 1.41.00
Yes, you can lead a horse to water, b...Anon 1.41.00<br />Yes, you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-32565004486487418612009-06-23T13:41:12.359+01:002009-06-23T13:41:12.359+01:00A typical German Patentanwalt did not and will not...A typical German Patentanwalt did not and will not read those EPO Scenario reports.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-89192125902108499592009-06-23T13:40:22.475+01:002009-06-23T13:40:22.475+01:00Overview on international Pirate Party movement:
...Overview on international Pirate Party movement:<br /><br />http://www.pp-international.net/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-6349172854258995302009-06-23T12:43:19.968+01:002009-06-23T12:43:19.968+01:00Although I'm not fully aware of the position i...Although I'm not fully aware of the position in France, I'd like to add information received from the 01.net article http://www.01net.com/editorial/503636/un-nouveau-parti-pirate-en-france/. This announces the creation of a new pirate party in France. Founded by Rémy Cérésiani, a Sciences Po student. Its the statutes were transmitted last week to the 'prefecture'. The party has a Facebook account and aims to organize debate around the Loppsi 2 law project (http://www.01net.com/editorial/367276/la-police-bientot-autorisee-a-installer-des-logiciels-espions-sur-les-pc/). <br /><br />There are two other websites on the model of the Swedish movement, already using the Swedish Pirate party black flag as an emblem.Tara Taubmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-12739452735713733192009-06-23T12:33:11.472+01:002009-06-23T12:33:11.472+01:00Anon 11.05.00
So, "Traditional IP circles&qu...Anon 11.05.00<br /><br />So, "Traditional IP circles" doesn't include the EPO? <br /><br />And as Joff Wild commented last week on the IAM blog: "I know, for example, that he [Kappos] was very impressed with the Scenarios for the Future project developed by the European Patent Office, and used this to inform his idea for a European Interoperability Patent, which he spoke about to IAM a couple of years back." So IBM and/or the USPTO isn't "traditional" either?<br /><br />Maybe it might be worth reading it and finding out what 'new' scenarios about the future of IP might appear in the coming years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-71222015729531690512009-06-23T11:05:11.524+01:002009-06-23T11:05:11.524+01:00"Traditional IP circles" did not and wil..."Traditional IP circles" did not and will not read those EPO Scenario reports.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-18914934182741003842009-06-23T10:51:53.001+01:002009-06-23T10:51:53.001+01:00Quote: "Hence, a worst case scenario might se...Quote: "Hence, a worst case scenario might see the Piraten clientele breed on some sort of IP aboli-tionist revolution without traditional IP circles even duly taking notice."<br /><br />With due respect, the EPO's Scenarios project wrote, in early 2007, about the rise of the Pirate Party and, in the Scenarios' green scenario, Trees of Knowledge, asked readers to consider a scenario where, inter alia,:<br />"Anti-IP ‘pirate parties’ fielded enough candidates to receive TV and radio<br />airtime and ensured that the IP message became a political issue for the<br />public and mainstream parties. (The ‘pirates’ all but disappeared after a<br />terrible performance in the European Parliament elections of 2014, when<br />their agenda had been almost totally hijacked by other parties)."<br /><br />At least one traditional source - the EPO - thus has taken some notice!<br />http://documents.epo.org/projects/babylon/eponet.nsf/0/63A726D28B589B5BC12572DB00597683/$File/EPO_scenarios_bookmarked.pdf - see pages 74 and 80 particularly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-15773268354072763382009-06-23T10:29:42.414+01:002009-06-23T10:29:42.414+01:00The main problem is that the IP system is unable t...The main problem is that the IP system is unable to reform itself and large American companies act in Brussels as if that were their government or they were at home here. As a surprise that is also what politics is like: They talk SME and the non-European companies get all the money and lobby for tax reduct etc., think of the Irish sleaze. All the lobbying as the attempt to legalize software patenting, the corrupt proposals of McCreevy for copyright and Swedish the crackdown on file sharing, here the political sphere is still out of touch with reality.<br /><br />As long as this is the case the pirate party will grow and finally abolish the patent system as we know it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-92082016914411245122009-06-23T09:55:30.177+01:002009-06-23T09:55:30.177+01:00Felix Oberholzer-Gee et al have just released a Ha...Felix Oberholzer-Gee et al have just released a Harvard Business School report called File Sharing and Copyrigh, see http://www.hbs.edu/research/pdf/09-132.pdf<br /><br />Michael Geist, http://www.michaelgeist.ca/, <br />has following comments:<br /><br />“…(The paper) takes some important points about file sharing, copyright, and the net benefits to society. The paper, which includes a helpful survey of the prior economic studies on the impact of file sharing, includes the following:<br /><br />1. The data indicates that file sharing has not discouraged creativity, as the evidence shows significant increases in cultural production…<br /><br /> 2. The paper takes on several longstanding myths about the economic effects of file sharing, noting that many downloaded songs do not represent a lost sale, some mashups may increase the market for the original work, and the entertainment industry can still steer consumer attention to particular artists (which results in more sales and downloads)…<br /><br />3. The authors' point out that file sharing may not result in reduced incentives to create if the willingness to pay for "complements" increases. They point to rising income from performances or author speaking tours as obvious examples of income that may be enhanced through file sharing. In particular, they focus on a study that concluded that demands for concerts increased due to file sharing and that concert prices have steadily risen during the file sharing era. Moreover, the authors' canvass the literature on the effects of file sharing on music sales, confirming that the "results are decidedly mixed." <br /><br />When European politicians neglect the economics of file-sharing, it´s not surprising that we get movements like the Piratenpartei!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-17616832724754534722009-06-23T09:51:57.004+01:002009-06-23T09:51:57.004+01:00We even have some kind of a pirate party in the UK...We even have some kind of a pirate party in the UK:<br /><br />pirateparty.org.uk<br /><br />www.facebook.com/pages/Pirate-Party-UK/80677579210?sid=e0601067d80614276ecd722bafa7a6c1&ref=searchHugo Coxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-30538891369376266752009-06-23T08:46:58.060+01:002009-06-23T08:46:58.060+01:00I am not sure íf the Piratenpartei will benefit fr...I am not sure íf the Piratenpartei will benefit from its first member of parliament, Jörg Tauss, who is accused of having child pornography on his computer:<br /><br />http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/290/472811/text/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-20132599541510061032009-06-23T08:46:17.149+01:002009-06-23T08:46:17.149+01:00I feel that the danger of political censorship by ...I feel that the danger of political censorship by commerce or by governments is underappreciated by the mass media (now why might that be?) and can be a considerable driver of grassroots opinion.<br /><br />The public surely find it largely ridiculous that the stage verson of "The Producers" needs to use a picture of a pretzel in place of a swastika to be permissible in Germany, and the concern at the commercially slanted "Faux News" in the USA and the apparent power of the Berlusconi media in Italy and the Murdoch media in the UK also generate widespread concern.<br /><br />Add to this mixture the Iranian and Chinese attempts to block the internet as a means for the passage of news out of the country, and one can see reasons to be concerned about control of the internet.<br /><br />Curiously, there seems to be little active worry in the UK about the similarly dangerous potential of the "Cleanfeed" system that governments and ISPA are ramming down the throats of ISPs. Again it is presented as being aimed at child pornography, but has an obvious potential in the hands of a repressive government, and the worry is enlarged by the spin about its mechanical limitations. Cleanfeed produces a "404 site not found" when a netizen attempts to access a proscribed site. Allegedly it does not record the netizen's IP address - yet miraculously it enables the production of statistics to the government showing the total number of times each month that UK netizens try to access proscribed sites. It takes litte imagination to see how this could assist a repressive government.<br /><br />Should we be worried? I think we should. <br /><br />Richard McD. BridgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-46406169879315554332009-06-23T06:43:27.082+01:002009-06-23T06:43:27.082+01:00Society as a whole is starting to question whether...Society as a whole is starting to question whether big industry has handled digital piracy in the right ways. Chasing after members of your client base in the courts is never going to improve things, especially when the huge financial losses quoted are often viewed as "spin", e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/jun/09/games-dvd-music-downloads-piracy<br />Everyone in the IP profession needs to be aware that such Pirate parties are a consequence of the actions of our clients.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com