tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post6464266574262502798..comments2024-03-28T16:45:51.051+00:00Comments on The IPKat: G1/14: An unnecessary questionVerónica Rodríguez Arguijohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05763207846940036921noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-86645062519983156832015-12-04T08:25:39.360+00:002015-12-04T08:25:39.360+00:00Rauol, since the decision was not notified by regi...Rauol, since the decision was not notified by registered letter with advice of delivery, presumably Rule 126(4) becomes relevant which explicitly refers to national law. Kantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-49301822168580177292015-12-03T22:41:38.464+00:002015-12-03T22:41:38.464+00:00This is the reaction of the EBA to the Office'...This is the reaction of the EBA to the Office's readiness to switch from notification by post as prescribed in Rule 126(2) in the then applicable version to notification by UPS before having changed the Rule.The Rule was not amended until this question was pending before the EBA. Another example of the attitude of the EPO that the law is simply regarded as an obstacle to efficient management. This shows how important the control of the Office by an independent jurisdiction is, an independence which is in danger by the structural reform initiated by an administration which does not like to be controlled.Convention watchdognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-22826983601987121362015-12-03T21:50:19.034+00:002015-12-03T21:50:19.034+00:00The answer from the EBA is not surprising.
For th...The answer from the EBA is not surprising.<br /><br />For the EBA, the applicable regulation was not respected, and that's it. In such a circumstance a referral to the EBA seems useless.<br />At the date of notification of the decision of the OD, 25.04.2013, R 126 provided that the notification was by registered letter with acknowledgment of receipt. There was no question of postal services. It is only since 01.04.2015 that using postal services, e.g. UPS has legal value.<br /><br />To claim that the appeal period ended on 08.07., because the representative had returned to his office on 07.05 and had send the form on 08.05., is rather daring. The adoption of the 10 day rule was precisely to avoid any ambiguity as to the date of receipt. If the position of the representative was considered correct, it would be possible for the representative to decide himself when the appeal period starts. This cannot be. <br /><br />It should be noted that German representatives have an annoying tendency to refer to the national provisions in their arguments, especially in case of applications for review. In the referring decision, the BA has clearly said that German law did not apply, cf. 5 and 6 of the reasons.<br /><br />It should be clear slowly for German representatives that decisions of the BGH cannot be transposed into European procedure.<br /><br />The mistake lies within DG2, Support services. A clever "manager" of DG2 probably had the genius idea to be modern and therefore to use UPS instead of the post office, i.e. to apply to outgoing mail the possibility given for incoming mail by using UPS. Here also a ten days rule applies.<br /><br />I am not sure that in the long run this is cheaper, but this is a different topic. In any case the result is there. Until 31.03.2015 this approach was not appropriate.<br /><br />The BA who made the referral, may be regretting having brought the matter to the EBA. Anyway, after the three amicus curiae letters, case law and interpretation of Art 108 (1) is clear: the appeal is only deemed filed when the appeal fee is payed. The room for interpretation here is nil. Why then bother EBA?<br /><br />It seems to me that it is the amicus curiae letter of Bardehle that raised, rightly so, the problem with R 126 (1).<br /><br />It remains to verify that the shipment by UPS provides the same guarantees as the sending by post. According to Bardehle this seems not the case. Even if UPS offers the same warranty as the post office, this is probably not for the same price, so what the advantage of using UPS is?<br /><br />I am curious to see what the BA will decide. They can decide that the time limit for appeal has never started, or that is started on 08.05.2013. If the latter is the case, then they may argue this in preservation of good faith and in view of legitimate expectations of a party. <br /><br />According to R 3(1) any document filed with the EPO can be in any official language of the EPO. It might be uncommon for the President to address the EBA in a language other than the language of proceedings, but this is perfectly legal. As the rapporteur of the case was a french speaking member of the Boards of appeal, he might have thought to be wiser if the comments are in French.<br /><br />The long developments in the comments of the President, presuppose the admissibility of the referral, which is not the case. The efforts made were thus in vain. It is somewhat surprising that the problem of the applicability of R 126(1) was not noticed by the President, or better his advisors, as the problem had been raised clearly in the first amicus curiae filed by the the firm BP.Raoulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-614855794261568522015-12-03T21:20:17.821+00:002015-12-03T21:20:17.821+00:00This case is somewhat particular. Whether the deli...This case is somewhat particular. Whether the delivery by UPS was a notification by registered letter with advice of delivery, was not at all at issue in the referral decision of the TBA. On 17 July 2014, Dr. Wegner submits his amicus curiae, wherein he essentially notes that the term "advice of delivery" refers to a particular kind of document regulated in the Universal Post Convention. Only a year later, while G1/14 was still pending, the relevant EPC rule was changed. Before then, was the EPO just using UPS without thinking much of Rule 126 EPC? GHVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-70511111730442587722015-12-03T14:02:34.165+00:002015-12-03T14:02:34.165+00:00I´m not sure that it can actually be inferred from...I´m not sure that it can actually be inferred from that decision - which is in German - that "the notice of appeal was filed timely".<br />As I understand it, the EBA only said that the referring technical board should not have applied Rules 126(1) and (2) because these Rules only provide for notifications by registered mail with advice of delivery, but fail to cover any other means of notification such as via UPS (see point 8 of the Reasons).<br />It was probably not the EBA´s duty to decide on the admissibility of the notice of appeal, but one logical consequence of the non-applicability of Rule 126 might be that the notification of the first instance decision was actually deffective, so that it could not have triggered any time delay whatsoever. <br />Let´s see how the case will now progress.Notsosurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-82275790256693772252015-12-03T13:28:06.866+00:002015-12-03T13:28:06.866+00:00The question whether UPS in the present form is eq...The question whether UPS in the present form is equivalent to a registered letter with delivery advice still remains. The wording of the new Rule seems to be not that brilliant.<br /><br />Concerned commenterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-7037799474583793842015-12-03T13:07:21.809+00:002015-12-03T13:07:21.809+00:00Oh, and a further comment. If the language of the ...Oh, and a further comment. If the language of the proceedings is German, why is the President providing his comments in French?Kantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-64867588827684203772015-12-03T13:04:44.383+00:002015-12-03T13:04:44.383+00:00Sadly, it appears that the patent proprietor has a...Sadly, it appears that the patent proprietor has abandoned this patent during the course of the time the enlarged board were considering the matter.<br /><br />Kantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-8935387450917906082015-12-03T12:43:27.841+00:002015-12-03T12:43:27.841+00:00EBO for Enlarged Board of Appeal, that is unusual....EBO for Enlarged Board of Appeal, that is unusual. Or did you mean Enlarged Board of Österreich?hello Viennanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-24680299433746448212015-12-03T12:04:13.937+00:002015-12-03T12:04:13.937+00:00Thank you for the brief abstract of the decision.
...Thank you for the brief abstract of the decision.<br /><br />But in the last two paragraphs you use the abbreviation EBO.<br />I think you mean EBA (Enlarged Boards of Appeal, not Enlarged Boards of Office).<br /><br />(no need to publish this comment - I just stumbled over this)<br /><br />MartinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com