tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post7150660191907104071..comments2024-03-28T16:45:51.051+00:00Comments on The IPKat: Monday miscellanyVerónica Rodríguez Arguijohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05763207846940036921noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-64363743845227138282010-03-15T06:48:04.768+00:002010-03-15T06:48:04.768+00:00My late great-aunt, on moving to a residential hom...My late great-aunt, on moving to a residential home in her nineties, was outraged to be served individual yorkshire puddings rahter than a large one, divided into portions. She would be turning in her grave at this piece of news. And surely frozen Yorkshire pudding must count as one of the most unnecessary and superfluous products of human ingenuity, right up there with ready-grated cheese and frozen boiled rice, both of which I have spotted on the shelves of my local supermarket? Or is that too much like Edison's comment about the electric toothbrush?Peter Groveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05020506617934637856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-82158181846819043692010-03-09T15:11:42.076+00:002010-03-09T15:11:42.076+00:00Dear Jeremy:
As to the “specific intended meaning...Dear Jeremy:<br /><br />As to the “specific intended meaning” of the Wikipedia passage in question, it seems that we have an impasse between a British interpretation (yours) and a Canadian interpretation (mine).<br /><br />I can think of only two solutions, now that appeals from the colonies to the Privy Council have been abolished.<br /><br />One is to have our disagreement adjudicated by a neutral English speaking expert arbiter of the construction and “intent” of language with legal significance. A neutral American might be suitable. Can we agree on Justice Scalia?<br /><br />The other solution is that you or I could surreptitiously edit the Wikipedia entry. This might be a quicker, though not necessarily final, resolution.Howard Knopfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18321190334597129416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-22935396953247693072010-03-09T09:22:22.600+00:002010-03-09T09:22:22.600+00:00Dear Howard: how do you impute a specific intended...Dear Howard: how do you impute a specific intended meaning to the word-order of a Wikipedia entry, which may be the product of several hands (and minds), whether native English speakers or otherwise? <br /><br />More importantly, you write "I think that we sure have exhausted this topic". Not so fast. Since it's the IPKat's readers who determine when to raise an issue, the IPKat claims the privilege of deciding when it can be decently buried :-)Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01123244020588707776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-58521634232295516522010-03-09T08:58:11.882+00:002010-03-09T08:58:11.882+00:00Welcome to the IP-Hatul.Welcome to the IP-Hatul.olivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-79859741574040654052010-03-09T07:25:47.630+00:002010-03-09T07:25:47.630+00:00Swiss rolls will be next.
EdTSwiss rolls will be next.<br /><br />EdTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-72789776125075760762010-03-08T19:55:58.872+00:002010-03-08T19:55:58.872+00:00Dear Jeremy:
Surely, you jest.
If your construct...Dear Jeremy:<br /><br />Surely, you jest.<br /><br />If your construction was intended, it would have said "but for sure there is no evidence" rather than "but there is no evidence to say for sure", which is what it does say.<br /><br />I think that we sure have exhausted this topic.Howard Knopfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18321190334597129416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-55742832450033957262010-03-08T18:31:18.583+00:002010-03-08T18:31:18.583+00:00Dear Howard: it doesn't say "there is som...Dear Howard: it doesn't say "there is some evidence ...". It says "there is no evidence" and the words "for sure" apply to that phrase, to be sure!Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01123244020588707776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-59942607648089801392010-03-08T17:09:40.803+00:002010-03-08T17:09:40.803+00:00Dear Jeremy:
Wikipedia says " but there is n...Dear Jeremy:<br /><br />Wikipedia says " but there is no evidence to say for sure".<br /><br />"For sure" surely means beyond a reasonable doubt. Well then, the UK may have to rely on a balance of probabilities.Howard Knopfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18321190334597129416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-70578126170723114352010-03-08T16:46:04.619+00:002010-03-08T16:46:04.619+00:00Dear Howard: Wikipedia says there's no evidenc...Dear Howard: Wikipedia says there's no evidence to support the Arthur Wellesley hypothesis.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01123244020588707776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-28735729474963655712010-03-08T16:38:03.022+00:002010-03-08T16:38:03.022+00:00[A well-known British IP lawyer, name withheld, wr...[A well-known British IP lawyer, name withheld, writes] As you know I am a strong supporter of IP but the Yorkshire Pudding debacle is a step too far. As I sit in Dublin Airport on my way back from a relative's wedding and fresh from the latest Irish tales, I thought your latest missive about a lifelong favourite food of mine was straight from Flann O'Brien. You can imagine my surprise when I found it was straight from UK IPO, I hope they still have a sense of humour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-44343275373882950232010-03-08T16:10:35.600+00:002010-03-08T16:10:35.600+00:00Dear Jeremy:
That "ultimate" authority ...Dear Jeremy:<br /><br />That "ultimate" authority - Wikipedia - suggests a provenance going back to Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington. <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef_Wellington<br /><br />So I think that the UK may be able to deal with our friends from New Zealand on the merits.<br /><br />If that doesn't work, maybe Her Majesty could exercise some ultimate crown prerogative.<br /><br />I won't take sides here. I prefer to see it as generic.<br /><br />Besides, the Supreme Court of Canada and our Parliament Buildings are located on Wellington Street in Ottawa.<br /><br />So, if push comes to shove, Canada could enter the fray ;-)Howard Knopfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18321190334597129416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-67751700862443600712010-03-08T15:57:54.165+00:002010-03-08T15:57:54.165+00:00Dear Howard: I think we'd better not say anyth...Dear Howard: I think we'd better not say anything about Beef Wellington unless we're prepared to face the ire of our brethren in New Zealand, though for many of us the word 'Wellington' is more closely associated with the sheep ... and perhaps the Wimpy.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01123244020588707776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-48039678170691239482010-03-08T15:49:36.049+00:002010-03-08T15:49:36.049+00:00Dear Jeremy:
Yorkshire pudding a GI? Does this me...Dear Jeremy:<br /><br />Yorkshire pudding a GI? Does this mean that, if Canada signs a Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) with the EU, I won't be able to order "Yorkshire Pudding" with my roast beef here in Ottawa, unless it's flown over fresh from Yorkshire? What's next? Beef Wellington, Worcester Sauce, Dover Sole?Howard Knopfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18321190334597129416noreply@blogger.com