Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence

Merpel has now got her paws on several copies of the Enlarged Board of Appeal's decision in the latest round of the "House Ban" disciplinary action (reported here). If you like your IP decisions to be explosive, then she can't recommend it highly enough. The case reference is Art. 23 1/16, incidentally.

Readers can access the document here. It arrived in several copies today thanks to a number of correspondents who would no doubt prefer not to be identified, for reasons of modesty and career security. The decision is marked for "Publication in OJ", but the Board notes with admirable deadpan that its orders in the two earlier sets of proceedings, to publish those earlier decisions "have not yet been executed by the competent authorities of the Office."

It was already known that this third set of proceedings collapsed due to what was seen as an improper intervention by Mr Battistelli, the EPO President, regarding a decision by the EBA to hold oral proceedings in public, and that this was aggravated by the fact that the Administrative Council refused to distance itself from the actions of Mr Battistelli. Bear in mind, in what follows, that Mr Battistelli was not party to these proceedings, which were instigated by the Administrative Council (“Petitioner”) and the only other party was the impugned Board Member (“Respondent”).

Time prevents Merpel from doing full justice to this decision, but she believes that it speaks for itself pretty well in the most revealing passage, entitled:

"THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE ENLARGED BOARD AND THE OFFICE PRESIDENT’S LETTER OF 10 JUNE 2016 

36. In his letter of 10 June 2016 (see quotations in point XXVI. above), the Office President expressed his view that the Enlarged Board’s decision to hold public oral proceedings was unlawful. He further elaborated that the Enlarged Board does not have the competence to determine the facts in these proceedings. Finally, he indicated that he would not hesitate to take any appropriate steps available to him to ensure the orderly running of the Office and the safety of its employees in respect of the present case. 

37. The making of an unlawful decision is clearly misconduct. Hence the general, abstract threat to the independence of the Enlarged Board resulting from the amendment of Article 95(3) ServRegs (see para 8 to 13 above) has now crystallised as a result of the Office President’s procedurally irregular intervention in these proceedings. 

38. As the present case has shown, the Office President assumes the power to investigate and to suspend members of the Boards of Appeal and bar them from the Office. 

39. In addition, he may also propose any other disciplinary measures to the AC, pursuant to Article 10(2) (h)EPC. 

40. Thus, in the presence of these facts, ascertainable by any objective observer, all present members of the Enlarged Board find themselves threatened with disciplinary measures if they continue with these proceedings in the presence of the public, and seek to determine the facts of this case. This undermines the fundamental principle of judicial independence as set out in Article 23(3) EPC. Thus the conditions of Article 23(3) EPC are not fulfilled, unless the AC as appointing and disciplinary authority for all members of the Enlarged Board, including its external members, distances itself from this position of the Office President.

41. After having been given time during the in camera conference held on 14 June 2016 to reflect upon this situation, the Chairman of the AC made the following remarks in writing concerning the Office President’s letter and enclosure of 10 June 2016: 

"... Such a communication does not emanate from a party to the proceedings. In view of the fact that the Administrative Council is only represented in the proceedings pursuant to Article 12a(2) of the rules of procedure of the EBA, it cannot take position on a communication from the Executive Head of the Office. 

In this respect, and as per Article 23 (3) EPC, the EBA members are not bound by any instruction but must abide by the provisions of the EPC. This cannot be prejudicial to them, bearing in mind that the Council is the sole competent disciplinary authority for them ...”

42. The Petitioner in this case is the AC. The AC is the appointing and disciplinary authority for the Office President (the highest ranking appointee of the AC) , as well as for the members of the Enlarged Board, (the highest judicial authority of the EPO) . The Petitioner thus has an institutional obligation to clarify whether it endorses or not the Office President’s position as set out in his letter of 10 June 2016 and referred to above. 

43. For the Enlarged Board to be able to continue with these proceedings the position of the Petitioner would have to be that it did not agree with the Office President and acknowledged that, from an institutional point of view, the pressure exercised by the Office President in the present case was incompatible with the judicial independence of the Enlarged Board guaranteed by the EPC. As the Petitioner did not clearly distance itself from the Office President’s position, there is the threat of disciplinary measures against the members of the Enlarged Board. It is then the Enlarged Board’s judicial independence in deciding on this case which is fundamentally denied.

44. As can be derived from the statement of the Chairman of the AC, there was no clear and unequivocal declaration that the AC distanced itself from (or did not share) the Office President’s position. In such a situation, the Enlarged Board cannot legally continue with these proceedings. As a consequence it cannot make a proposal to the Petitioner to remove the Respondent from office. 

45. Thus to summarise, the Enlarged Board was reduced to the following alternatives:

— either, to take an “unlawful decision”; 

— or, to take a “lawful decision” according to the demands of the Office President, i.e. setting aside its decision on the public oral proceedings and taking as granted the facts established in the IU Report and/or the DC’s opinion.

46. In either case, the respective decision would be inherently vitiated because it would have been made under pressure from the executive and without the serenity and independence needed for a fair trial.

47. The intervention of the Office President, and this intervention alone, prevented the Enlarged Board from continuing the proceedings as had been planned, (see above points XVI to XXI) , from examining the case on its substantive merits as put forward by the Petitioner, and from establishing whether serious grounds for the removal from office of the Respondent existed in accordance with Article 23(1) EPC. 

The result of all this was that the EBA refused to make a proposal to terminate the appointment of the Board Member, ordered reimbursement of his costs, and ordered the decision to be published. Merpel is happy to comply with the last part.

One has to wonder how long Mr Battistelli's position can be considered tenable, given that he has been held by the highest tribunal in the European Patent system to have violated the judicial independence of that tribunal, and to have threatened its members? 

Then again, some AC delegates will not be fans of this decision (this being their third rebuff from the Enlarged Board in relation to a single disciplinary matter). Bear in mind that the AC was already given the opportunity to distance itself once from Mr Battistelli's actions and did not do so, or at least not unambiguously. One must assume that Mr Battistelli still enjoys the love and support of at least a faction within the AC (though Merpel hears that the faction shrinks at each meeting...).
Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence Reviewed by Merpel on Thursday, June 23, 2016 Rating: 5

361 comments:

  1. It is no longer simply a rumour that the Boards of Appeal will be sent to Haar. A note was sent to all DG3 staff yesterday late afternoon, informing them that the Boards will move to the office building at Richard-Reitzner-Allee 8 in Haar. The rent contract will be signed after the Budget and Finance Committee approves the plan in October. The goal is to start the move in July 2017. It should be stressed that neither the Boards nor the stakeholders were consulted or even informed beforehand, just like no meaningful consultation took place on any other part of the reform proposal that was submitted to the Administrative Council. Being in DG3 myself, I can say that the current atmosphere is not very positive.

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  2. Some weeks ago the Central Staff Committee published a paper about overcapacity and reducing stocks, they also mentioned the contracts for examiners. I heard that a director in The Hague sent a mail to his examiners in which he disproved all the numbers as given by the CSC, showing that their publication was misleading. Does anyone have a copy of this mail? Some facts would be useful for this discussion!

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  3. I wonder if any attention has been paid to the security aspects of the proposed new site ...

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  4. It is well known, several people, perhaps more, have been summoned to the president and told, "You are either for me, or you are against me." It cannot be accepted, that a civil service career should serve a personality cult, and that threats to career and eventually pensions used as the weapons to enforce that cult. The crash when it comes will be big, unfortunately for those of us who are still trying to apply the EPC, which is in fact our only master.

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  5. The Frenchman Battistelli expresses heartfelt sympathy to the people of France.

    Let us now wait and see whether Mr. Battistelli will express heartfelt sympathy to the people of the host nation of the EPO headquarters.

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  6. @Anon

    I know that it is about punishing. That much is blindingly obvious from the plain facts.

    The point that I was making is that BB's focus upon punishing the Boards of Appeal has led him to a situation that makes no sense from any other perspective.

    For example, the Boards have:
    been "reformed" in a manner that (according to the perception of many users and AMBA) actually reduces their independence;
    been moved, against the express wishes of the users (who argued that physical location had little to do with (the perception of) independence of the Boards); and
    had the fees for their services substantially increased, which was directly against the interests of the users and has no objective justification whatsoever (as, for example: there is certainly no shortfall in the EPO's funding under the current fee structure; and being "subsidised" by renewal fees certainly has no bearing upon independence if the there is no "outside" interference in the setting of the budget of the Boards).

    Thus, by any objective measure, BB has failed to achieve his stated objective and has acted against the express wishes of the users. I know that the president and his cronies will be furiously spinning the "reforms" as being fully justified. However, I now wonder whether sanity can be restored by the emergence of a sufficient groundswell of opinion that, contrary to the EPO management's line, is based upon a credible interpretation of the facts.

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  7. Battistelli has belatedly expressed his solidarity with the citizens of Munich.
    http://www.epo.org/news-issues/news/2016/20160725.html

    But what about the people of Ansbach?
    Are they second-class citizens?
    Does he not care about them?

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  8. The move may not influence where Oral Proceedings before the BoA will take place.
    Does anyone know if just the offices of the BoA members will been moved, or whether also future invitations to Oral Proceedings will be for the "new" building?

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  9. The intention is for oral proceedings also to take place in the Haar building. It is however apparent that only a limited number of o.p. rooms are foreseen, and that it will be necessary to use the same trick which airlines already use, i.e. "overbooking". If on a particular day all oral proceedings for which summons were issued actually take place and not enough rooms are available, the participants for one or more of those proceedings would be sent home.

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  10. Battistelli policy is not simple retribution. The aim is to get rid of the board of appeal and it is a war of attrition. Let me list the facts:
    -the boards have been understaffed for the past 3 years. Members who retired have simply not been replaced, we miss about 30% people.
    -as the recent events discussed here show, boards members can be removed from their post at will. They just still get 50% pay till their 5 years contract runs out.
    -the new fees make appeal extremely expensive and therefore unattractive.

    From talks in the corridors of the Isar building, I would say that most board members recognise the writing on the wall. It is just that they have nowhere to go, they will be prevented to work for 2 years. A large amount of members will simply retire this or next year. What else is there to do? The planned removal to Haar will probably take place with a much smaller DG3.

    Furthermore, as the event listed here shows, the Council agrees.

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  11. Dear BoardMember,
    My sympathies from DG1. Decisions made openly and for a logical reason, however personally painful, can be borne and normally solutions would be sought. In this case , it's plotting and playing with people's lives for no clearly stated reason. As you say, it's the trickle approach of undermining DG3 until it becomes untenable - no replacement of members leads to an inevitable running down of DG3's effectiveness. A normal consideration, if this were to be inevitable,would be to manage this and to involve staff in preparing both the office and their careers for the future. The current situation could not be further from this.
    You don't deserve this. Nobody does. Again, my sympathies.

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  12. Et sinon, ces croquettes, ca viens?Wednesday 27 July 2016 at 22:05:00 GMT+1


    AMBA has issued a Statement on the Reform of the BoA.

    EPLaw has a post on that statement - from which I quote

    "Eventually, the perception of independence has turned out to be the guidance for the structural reform, not independence in substance. The EBA’s decision R 19/12 continues to show its consequences."

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  13. @Flintstone

    I now realise that I had made a potentially unjustified assumption that the building in Haar would be used for oral proceedings. However, it now appears that my assumption was correct. In fact, if your prediction regarding "overbooking" is also correct, it may even be a lot worse than I feared.

    Is it really envisaged that participants in OPs will be "sent home" on the day scheduled for the proceedings? If so, I can envisage a lot of users (quite understandably) getting pretty incandescent with rage if and when that starts to happen. I can also see a lot of users looking for ways to recoup wasted costs from the EPO.

    Not that I disbelieve you, but do you have any figures upon the number of rooms available (both in the current and new buildings) for oral proceedings? If there is any kind of planned decrease, then that would hardly be consistent with the stated aim of "improving efficiency"!

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  14. With the decision of the elarged board of appeal that is the subject of this article, Battistelli has made his policy clear. He will not change the text of the law, he will simply change the signification of the individual words. It took everybody a long time to understand, because we are not used to words having new meanings completely opposite to what they used to have. It's newspeak.

    Just read the decision of the enlarged board: for Battistelli "independent" means "you rubber-stamp whatever the investigation unit has written". Can you interpret "no independent fact finding" in another way?

    With that in mind, reread all what the Office has published in the past 3 years. With that in mind, consider what "independent board of appeal" means. To help you, I'll give you an example of an independent tribunal: 2 years ago, Battistelli visited ILO in Geneva to improve relationships. Since that day, the ILO tribunal decided for the Office in 100% of the cases but one or two of little consequences. The majority of the cases are summarily dismissed without a decision on the merits. Check it if you don't believe me: the judgements are public. THAT is what "independent tribunal" means in newspeak. That is what is coming for DG3 (and probably DG1 as well).

    Now tell me how I could still work for DG3 and look at myself in a mirror.

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  15. Ex-examiner now patent attorneyThursday 28 July 2016 at 11:50:00 GMT+1

    It should also be borne in mind that, as the appeal fees approach the stratosphere, and as quality is gradually streamlined out of existence in examination and opposition, the numbers of appeals will quickly fall away. Quod erat expurgandum.

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  16. I did not need to wait a long time to know what newspeak means for DG1. There is a new article from SUEPO. I will just cite the beginning:

    Getting there faster, a case of unclarity?

    An Efficiency Presentation has been given in a number of administrative directorates in Berlin during the recent weeks. It was based on a power point presentation titled “Getting there faster” and was further complemented by individual remarks by administrative as well as examining staff.

    It has come to the Berlin staff committee's attention that some parts of this presentation appear to have been misunderstood by many technically qualified examiners in Berlin who felt that those parts of the presentations in their respective directorate lead to undue interferences, be it from interested circles outside or inside the Office, with the responsibilities directly vested by the Contracting States in Examining Divisions (Articles 15 and 18 EPC) to which these examiners are administratively assigned. The title as well as some remark was understood as a prompt to ignore some of the Examining Divisions' responsibilities in order to more quickly grant patents on European patent applications. Apparently, the following messages were perceived:
    (a) the requirements under Article 84 EPC, especially clarity, were often less essential for the quality of the granted patent
    (b) the description and figures should be employed, together with the claims, to determine the subject-matter for which protection is sought with the procedure up to grant
    (c) clarity of the claims was no ground for opposition, and lack of clarity as such should thus not be the basis to refuse a European patent application
    (d) the procedure up to grant should be a co-operative and an interactive process involving essentially the entrusted examiner and the applicants' representatives as partners, preferably via telephone conversations instead of oral proceedings
    (e) a benefit of the doubt on the part of the entrusted examiner should lead to a proposal to grant
    (f) the other members of the divisions should follow the entrusted examiners' proposals to grant
    (g) the proposal to grant should promptly be signed by the other members when their own merely administrative checks have been done, i.e. without their own assessments of the requirements e.g. for patentability.

    (citation end)


    Expect management to deny everything. Newspeak only works as long as it is not translated.

    ...and the new DG1 policy is the final nail in DG3 coffin. If DG1 never refuses any patent there won't be any appeals.

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  17. Rather than send parties away from the Haar building, it is more likely that the BoAs will be forced to introduce a concept for oral proceedings along the lines of the PTAB/CAFC with striclty controlled time allowances for pleadings (possibly not quite their ridiculous 15 min. limit though).

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  18. @Proof of the pudding:

    I have no numbers myself, but I know from DG3 members who are discussing the matter with facility management that, at present, not enough rooms have been planned. Overbooking was seriously proposed as a solution, given that many ex parte oral proceedings take place in the absence of the appellant, so there should usually be enough rooms available. It is however still thinkable that we manage to get more rooms, or that some oral proceedings take place in the Isar building (which would make the move to Haar look even more ridiculous).

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  19. @Flintstone

    Thanks for the clarification.

    So if I understand correctly, the building settled upon by the EPO management is not only in a location that will be very inconvenient for the users (compared to current facilities) but is also too small to accommodate the expected workload.

    Is that correct? If so, then I reiterate my comments from 25 July. I would also add that, as well as making no sense from any objective viewpoint, BB's decision now looks to be totally incompetent. This is because any accountant can see that squeezing the Boards into a building that is too small for them whilst paying to keep a larger (and considerably more expensive) building under-utilised is just utter nonsense. It will be interesting to see how the AC's Budget and Finance Committee squares that particular circle!

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  20. @Proof of the pudding

    It is correct (unless the plans are changed). Financially, it does make sense, if parts of IT and administration are moved from the Pschorrhöfe to the Isar building, and the planned overcapacity in examiner staff that will be recruited is then located in the newly created space in the Pschorrhöfe. At some point, of course, the EPO will need somehow(!) to get rid of the excess examiners and will sell the space that again becomes available. This will then bring a nice profit since it is office space in the city centre. Increasing the profitability of the EPO (whilst forgetting why the EPO exists) seems in any case to be one BB's main goals.

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  21. , if parts of IT and administration are moved from the Pschorrhöfe to the Isar building,

    Weren't the last IT people driven out of Isar at the time of the great asbestos abatement?

    Anyway, I think the room freed up could be used to house more BB cronies in the PR department.

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  22. I was not aware of the results of the last session of ILO yesterday. Apparently, the tribunal can be more independent than I thought. Good news, but I wonder how Battistelli will react.

    As to building rent: the Office evacuated the rented buildings in the west of Munich last years, and concentrated examiners in smaller rooms. Rent was not considered to be an option at the time.

    There was an interesting message about how our management thinks DG1 should examine patents on the suepo-Berlin site yesterday. I tried to post an excerpt, but it did not appear. Maybe google sent my post to the spam folder because it was too long?

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  23. Hi Boardmember - your comment had indeed been marked as spam, so I have dug it out and allowed it now.

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  24. @BoardMember

    If what you report is accurate, then this represents a complete and utter corruption of the patent system in Europe.

    The provisions of the EPC are not there merely for decoration, they serve a very important purpose (namely, ensuring an appropriate balance between the interests of patentees and the interests of the general public in Europe). The requirements for patentability, including support / clarity, cannot be ignored. Indeed, the fact that Article 84 is not a ground of opposition makes it more (not less) important that examination on that ground is taken seriously.

    Further, encouraging a "rubber-stamping" approach means nothing less than the elimination of an important quality control checkpoint.

    And don't get me started on the policy of "if in doubt, grant". Why should the general public have to go to the trouble of revoking a patent to subject matter that has never been proven (to the reasonable satisfaction of an examiner) to be patentable in the first place?

    Is there any verifiable evidence that the presentation in question took place? If not, then I guess that (in view of EPOnia not being part of Europe) making freedom of information requests regarding internal policies would not elicit that evidence either. Which highlights yet another possibility for corruption that the founding fathers of the EPC did not foresee, namely the possibility for "internal policy" to be crafted that is completely at odds with the black letter law of the Convention. What a mess!

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  25. Merpel,
    Where is the comment? Since the link to the most recently filed comments has been deleted, it's not possible to follow old stories of they no longer apart in the top 5 stories.

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  26. For those wanting to see the ILO decisions, go to http://www.ilo.org/dyn/triblex/triblexmain.showList?p_lang=en&p_session_id=122

    3694 and 3699 are worth looking at.

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  27. @ Merpel: Thank you for digging out my post.

    @ Proof of the pudding:

    I don't know any more than what I have written. This is the text directly from the suepo Berlin site, I just cut the rest, where suepo explains all this is against the EPC, but readers of ipkat already know that. And I don't expect that anything will ever be published officially. This is typical for our new management: tell the staff about the new policy in a meeting. If people ask for written instructions or object that the policy is inconsistent with written regulations, management will consider that they belong to the people "against". Which is a recipe for early retirement ( McGinley) or even dismissal, as exemplified recently by 4 staff representatives, one board member, one press spokesman and probably more we don't know. Expect directors and examiners to quickly apply that new policy. People don't resist for long after a meeting with their superior in recent times.

    The same kind of methods were applied by other ENA graduates at France Telecom. It's in the French press, some managers were found guilty. But of course Battistelli has immunity. Nevertheless, he is not going to put anything in writing.

    I don't see how the new policy can be avoided. Consider the EPO to be a registration system within a year.

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  28. Boardmember: If DG1 never refuses any patent there won't be any appeals.

    Well, there would still be appeals for opposition cases, where there one side must do less well than the other.

    At least as long as this "business" isn't carved away from the EPO to make the UPC a "success"...

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  29. Judgements 3694 and 3699 actually show the problem with ILO. We have one administrator who was harassed and sacked for displeasing Battistelli... he got less than a month salary in damages. We have a problem with the internal appeal committee which composition is lacking, the office can redo the work. Consequence? Personal must wait another 4-6 years for a decision. The judgements are victories... but Pyrrhic ones.

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  30. Attorney on the road againSunday 31 July 2016 at 11:17:00 GMT+1

    The site envisaged for the Boards of Appeal - Richard-Reitzner-Allee 8, 85540 Haar - is located at a 35 minutes ride from the airport, in theory. In reality, the trip uses one of the most crowded highway portions in Germany, including the A9 north of Munich and the peripheral highway A99 with its frequent traffic jams.
    Alternately and more ecologically, there is a connection via the regional trains S8 and S4 with a change at the Leuchtenbergring station. Considering that it lasts 1 hour and 15 minutes one way, with one connection every 20 minutes only, attending oral proceedings before the boards will come with an extra average 3 hours journey in the Munich commuter trains.
    A couple of rooms for oral proceedings mignt be enough, in the circumstances.

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  31. From HelloKitty:

    The private suepo web site can only be accessed from within the office, so I had no access during my holiday. Back to work, I checked the post from Berlin and can indeed confirm what "BoardMember" has cited.

    Apparently, the EPO is quickly turning into a registration system...

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  32. @HelloKitty

    A leaked copy of that presentation would be much appreciated. If the EPO is planning to change such a fundamental as the law / standard that it applies during examination, then this issue really needs to be debated in public.

    Of course, given what has happened at WIPO (where the Member States are being denied access to a report: that they commissioned; which concludes that WIPO's director knowingly flouted UN sanctions; and which has been passed to the direction in question despite containing sensitive details of whistle-blowers who testified against him), it is an open question as to whether there is any measure that could be taken to force the EPO to follow the EPC.

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  33. it is an open question as to whether there is any measure that could be taken to force the EPO to follow the EPC.

    Check the Protocol on Privileges and Immunities:

    Article 23 (1)
    Any Contracting State may submit to an international arbitration tribunal any dispute concerning the Organisation or an employee of the European Patent Office or an expert performing functions for or on its behalf, in so far as the Organisation or the employees and experts have claimed a privilege or an immunity under this Protocol in circumstances where that immunity has not been waived.

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  34. Ex-examiner now patent attorneyWednesday 10 August 2016 at 14:56:00 GMT+1

    @ProofPudding

    From the SUEPO document posted on Techrights, it seems that the EPO strategy is not sinister. The aim is merely to reduce the quality of examination, and thereby increase the throughput, or possibly the other way round. Nothing wrong with that. As I have said before, crap patents are fine, as long as everyone understands they're crap. Whether applicants will still be interested in paying top dollar, and whether the EPO will find intelligent engineers willing to churn out crap day after day, is another question. OK, two questions. And questions which must presumably have been considered at length by the EPO's indisputably enlightened management.

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  35. @Arbitration

    So it looks like the answer to the open question is "no". There would have to be a "dispute" in the first instance (question: how could a such a dispute come about?), and then there would need to be an arbitration tribunal willing and able to take this on (question: would ILOAT have the competence, or even the inclination, to take on a dispute concerning compliance of EPO examination policy with the EPC? And if not the ILOAT, then who else?).

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  36. @ Pudding

    It's like BREXIT. The procedure exists (on paper).
    Somebody just needs to start the ball rolling.

    It's all in the PPI. The founding fathers foresaw that there could be disputes and accordingly they made arrangements for arbitration.

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  37. @Ex-examiner

    "questions which must presumably have been considered at length by the EPO's indisputably enlightened management"? Nice one! I have not laughed so much in ages.

    @Arbitration

    Hmmm. Not sure I agree that the founding fathers "made arrangements" for arbitration. For example, they failed to provide a description of how arbitration should work, and who should be the arbiter.

    At best, the PPI merely provides for the possibility of arbitration. However, there are many practical barriers to that possibility being exploited. For a start, there is the complete apathy upon the part of the representatives to the AC (who, it must be remembered, come from national offices whose income from renewal fees will increase if examination standards at the EPO are lowered). Then there is the total absence of any formal procedure for initiating a dispute.

    So who do you see "getting the ball rolling" in this context?

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  38. @ Pudding

    Read Article 24 of the PPI.

    I keep posting the text of the Article but the comment doesn't seem to get through ...
    http://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/epc/2016/e/ma5.html

    There is a very detailed description of how the arbitration is to take place.
    The President of the ICJ has a role in selecting the committee.
    It's all there in black and white.
    You just need to RTFM ...

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  39. @ Pudding

    Do not overlook Article 23 (2) PPI:

    If a Contracting State intends to submit a dispute to arbitration, it shall notify the Chairman of the Administrative Council, who shall forthwith inform each Contracting State of such notification.

    That is how the ball starts rolling.
    A notification is sent to the Chairman of the AC.
    It's that simply.

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  40. @Arbitration

    Thanks. You are quite correct, of course. Interesting that Art. 24(2) PPI states that "This panel shall be established as soon as possible after the Protocol enters into force and shall be revised each time this proves necessary". This implies that the relevant panel should have been established almost 40 years ago. So which panel is it? And what rules of procedure for that panel have been established according to Art. 24(4)? Or are those yet further provisions of the EPC that the AC has neglected to follow?

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  41. Or are those yet further provisions of the EPC that the AC has neglected to follow?

    I suspect that this could very well be the case.
    To the best of my knowledge the details of the "panel" - if it has been established - have never been published.
    Normally one would expect that kind of information to appear in the Official Journal. However there does not seem to be any explicit requirement for publication of the membership of the panel.

    From that I conclude that either the provision has been ignored or else it's a well-kept secret.



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  42. An Examiner on summer holidaysFriday 12 August 2016 at 22:15:00 GMT+1

    @Arbitration and Pudding:
    Has anythng in the PPI, whch must be done by the EPOff or the EPOrg, ever been done?

    I am thinking of the relations with the work-rules regulating organs of the host countries (Arbeitsinspectie, Gewerbeaufsicht,...)

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  43. Proof of the Pudding,
    Yes, but what would the dispute be? According to 23(1) above, doesn't it only arise if immunity has been claimed? Not sure that BB instructing the staff to sidestep part of the EPC would fall within that. He wouldn't claim immunity (from what?) - he's just doing his job.

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  44. I am thinking of the relations with the work-rules regulating organs of the host countries (Arbeitsinspectie, Gewerbeaufsicht,...)

    Article 18 of the Seat Agreement with the Netherlands makes provision for a Joint Consultative Committee which shall meet "at least once a year":

    (1) A Joint Consultative Committee shall facilitate the implementation of this Agreement and may address other administrative issues through consultations between the relevant authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the Organisation. It shall meet at least once a year and may convene at any other time at the request of the Government or the Organisation.
    (2) The Chairman of the Committee shall be appointed by mutual agreement between the Government and the Organisation.


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  45. Article 18 of the Seat Agreement with the Netherlands establishes a Joint Consultative Committee which "shall facilitate the implementation of this Agreement and may address other administrative issues through consultations between the relevant authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the Organisation."
    The JCC "shall meet at least once a year and may convene at any other time at the request of the Government or the Organisation."

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  46. Ho hum. I keep trying to post a comment about Article 18 of the Seat Agreement with the Netherlands which establishes a Joint Consultative Committee.
    But for some reason it doesn't make it through the IPKat comment filter ...

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  47. On the subject of pensions, there is some interesting commentary from the CSC on the latest RFPSS meeting.

    http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/sc16129cp.pdf

    "The Office thus unnecessarily lowers the probability of reaching our long-term objective for the return on investment, thereby deliberately creating a situation that could be used to trigger further major reforms.

    The governance in terms of risk monitoring is still unclear through inadequate role clarity, while such governance deficiencies are recognised as often leading to under performance
    ".

    If one were inclined to believe in conspiracies, the actions of the Office (including eliminating independent oversight of finances, and seemingly ensuring "underperformance" of the pension reserve fund) could all be interpreted as preparation for an attempt to sequester the approx. EUR7,000 million in the reserve fund.

    In such a hypothetical conspiracy, the Office would "manufacture" excuses to cut / eliminate pension benefits to those who should be the beneficiaries of the RFPSS fund, only to then conduct a new study that miraculously discovers a massive surplus in that fund. The conspiracy would then conclude with the pension fund surplus being "liberated" by the Office.

    Of course, this is all very far-fetched and so ought to easy to dismiss as nothing more than pure speculation. Indeed, a far more plausible explanation is that there is no plan for a cash-grab, just an attempt to deal with the pension liability issue that I have discussed before. Still, the effectively lawless behaviour of the Office in recent years (especially when it comes to matters of staff rights / benefits) does make one wonder...

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  48. could all be interpreted as preparation for an attempt to sequester the approx. EUR 7,000 million in the reserve fund.

    I have been entertaining similar suspicions since before Mr. Battistelli's too office, when his immediate predecessor generously spouted expressions like "fit for the future", "doing nothing is not an option" (in other words: TINA -- but what is the problem in the first place?) and imposing the IFRS charade. I would however employ a much stronger word than "sequester".

    The questions are IMO: who would be the happy beneficiaries of that heist, how would the loot be split among them, and how would it be transferred out of the EPOrg while maintaining appearances?

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  49. If one were inclined to believe in conspiracies, the actions of the Office (including eliminating independent oversight of finances, and seemingly ensuring "underperformance" of the pension reserve fund) could all be interpreted as preparation for an attempt to sequester the approx. EUR7,000 million in the reserve fund.

    Don't forget that there is a French Presidential election campaign coming up in 2017.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_2017

    "Primaire à droite : les Amis de Sarkozy lancent un appel aux dons"
    http://www.leparisien.fr/politique/primaire-a-droite-les-amis-de-sarkozy-lancent-un-appel-aux-dons-11-04-2016-5704991.php

    This is why people who hold elected office for political parties should never be put in change of international organisations with large cash surpluses and no effective oversight.

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  50. One should not become paranoiac and think that money could go some political party in France. This is going too far.

    It is however not the first time that the shear value of the RFPSS has given some appetite to the AC. In drawing out money out of the fund, the procedural fees could be kept constant for quite a while, if not lowered drastically. Then, with more crap patents granted as suggested in Berlin, more annual fees would come in. Who would be the beneficiaries? The member states, especially those with a lot of patents validated. The only unknown, but not one to be neglected is that the attitude of the users. I doubt they need a European patent, unitary or not, which is of the same level of the US one.

    On the other hand, if the fund is constantly under performing, then it might not be worth keeping it. And we are back on the thoughts above here, why not simply use it to compensate procedural fees. This could be the ball starting rolling.

    The member states have agreed to foot the bill for the pensions. But this is on paper, and for pensioners the only addressee is the EPO. If the EPO unilaterally lowers the pensions, what is the recourse: at the end the ILO AT. In other words a dead end. If the EPO claims it has no money, it cannot be condemned to print it. Nobody would ever lift a finger for a cast of privileged employees of an international organisation. That is exactly the position taken by one of the President's minions, the PD Personal, Mrs Bergot to name her. They profited for a long time of lots of niceties and it is time for them to bleed...

    It might sound far fetched as well, but such a hidden agenda would not surprise me from the President and its advisers.

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  51. Which cooperation and assistance funds?Tuesday 23 August 2016 at 12:13:00 GMT+1

    In the last issue of the Journal of Intellectual Property Law and Practice an edfitorial has been published under the title Something is rotten in the state of the EPO.

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  52. Eerie, this silence.... probably there is a lot going om behind the screen?

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  53. Or the French are on holiday?

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  54. From the text of the reform concerning the relocation of the boards:

    "in Germany, it was decided to separate the former boards of appeal
    administratively and physically from the German Patent and Trademark Office, as
    the new Federal Patent Court, in order to reinforce their independence."

    Actually, the trade mark department of the DPMA is in the same building as the Bundespatentgericht.

    It is surprising that at least the German representative in the AC did not point out this lie of Battistelli. May be he will get a post as vice president or as the president of the boards in the near future.

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  55. In spite of all the nice words, the message of Mr Battistelli to his staff drafting the proposal and arranging the move to Haar (and to the Administrative Council) was clear: here is what I want to do to the Boards of Appeal; now you arrange for it to happen somehow, and if necessary find an explanation why it is legal.

    By the way, as an (unintended?) side-effect, the president is for the moment de facto himself in control of the Boards of Appeal; see http://amba-epo.org/; so far for independence...

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  56. Et sinon, ces croquettes, ca viens?Monday 29 August 2016 at 18:59:00 GMT+1

    The London-based lawyers, Bretton Woods Law, has produced a legal opinion concerning the actions of the President of the EPO, and the responsibility of the Administrative Council as well as the Member States of the EPO with respect to staff:

    LEGAL OPINION - CONSIDERING THE ACTIONS OF THE PRESIDENT, THE ADMINISTRATIVE COUNCIL AND
    MEMBER STATES OF THE EUROPEAN PATENT OFFICE


    BREACHES OF BASIC AND FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AT THE EPO

    I quote:

    "It is not hard to see that many of the circumstances that have arisen at the EPO
    amount to violations of the rights contained in the ECHR. To list but a few: fair
    trial provisions are fundamentally absent at the EPO, since the President sits as a judge in his own cause; there is a lack of equality of arms, delays, an absence of due process and a tribunal that is itself beholden for its funding to the very institutions it is being invited to find against. The provisions in respect of sick leave (and the effective ‘house arrest’ of staff members) appear to contravene the right to a private and family life. The arbitrary treatment and abuses of the system in respect of staff representatives appear to be an attack on all of the rights listed above."

    It is probably worth the paper it is written on for President Battistelli and his Administrative Council.

    Still, I am looking forward to the decision of the High Court in the Netherlands about the EPO breaching fundamental human rights ...

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  57. Having a headache from the construction vibrations....Tuesday 30 August 2016 at 10:39:00 GMT+1

    @Et sinon,...
    Me too.

    Alas, the "Hoge Raad" seems to have pushed their decision date a bit further down the road... :(

    From their site:
    "15/02186 Europese Octrooi Organisatie en de Staat / Vakbondsunie Europees Octrooibureau (VEOB) en Staff Union European Patent Office (SUEPO)

    Is de Nederlandse rechter bevoegd in deze zaak? En zo ja, moet deze vakbond door het octrooibureau worden toegelaten?

    Conclusie 30 september 2016."
    Case number is there, and expected decision date.
    A month to go, which puts it just beyond the next Board28 (22 September) and before the next AC meeting (12/13. 10.2016)

    In December, we might see more party than decisions, as it'll be meeting 150 of the AC. And that's the AC which should discuss the results of the meeting regarding the social conference.
    Well timed...

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  58. Having a headache....
    And the Social Conference is arranged for 11th October - the day before the AC. Staff - but only the registered Union - can apply to participate but, with the 'conference' due to start and end less than 24 hours before the AC begins, it would be hard not to be cynical as to whether the conclusions may already have been decided or not.

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  59. @Anon

    What is the stated purpose of the "Social Conference"? If it is any way connected with the decision-making of the AC, then you would appear to have every reason to be cynical.

    Also, do we know the proposed agenda for the next AC meeting? I would be very interested to learn what (if anything) the AC intends to do about the President's interventions in case Art. 23 1/16, as well as whether they intend to make redress to the individual who was the subject of that case.

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  60. the stated purpose of the social conference is:
    - presenting the results of the occupational health and safety risk assessment (ohsra) and the social study
    - forming working groups to discuss these results
    - work shops (by now these two points will be done on the same day as the presentations)
    - expected results of the working groups and the workshops are
    -_- an analysis how the previous reforms influenced the results of the social study and the ohsra
    -_- suggestions how the previous reforms need to be amended to restore social climate, of course without an impact on the results of these reforms (so continued abolishment of steps and career, lower salaries, increased work pressure, less secure pensions for newcomers, ...)

    Both results will be presented to the AC, together with an analysis of the administration of these results, as well as an opinion on the studies by the administration.
    How can the administration coordinate the working grouos, and work on their own analysis, as well as waiting for the results and form an opinion on that all on the same day, without most of all that already pre-written?
    I bet they even prepared an analysis to be presented by the staff representative groups (FFPE, and the official Staff Representation)

    I also wonder how they expect Staff Representation as well as FFPE to be able to actively particiate in all areas, when they do the working groups all at the same time, and will not allow sufficient "experts" to participate; no chance to discuss among themselves, and still deliver opinions on the same day which will be seen as representative of "all staff" if favourable for management, or "dissenting opinions of disgruntled single individuals" (a.k.a. violent and vocal minority) when not in favour of previous and future management actions.

    I expect this whole exercise to deliver even more pre-cooked management "Bullshit-Bingo" catchwords without content, but used as justification to push the border of our legal issues even further....

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  61. @Kris-Kross

    Thanks for the explanation. It seems that we have yet another example of a classic BB strategy, namely "consultation" in the form of allowing others to speak but having no intention of listening to them (let alone taking heed of anything that is said).

    Of course, this strategy has nothing to do with the dictionary (or commonly understood) definition of "consultation", but is good enough for political operators such as BB.

    Quite frankly, the whole charade is just an insult to the intelligence of the staff representatives and all neutral observers. Not that this will stop the AC swallowing the results hook, line and sinker. What a debacle!

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  62. Bringbackalib. says

    E UREKA was the former in-house publication
    U ncensored, informative and short of fabrication
    L atest Gazette, lots of pictures of our Batters
    O nce again Pravda style, credibility in tatters
    G lorified half-truths, with a hand of sleight
    Y es, only the obituaries seemed to be dead right

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  63. EPO recruitment...

    In the past (4 years ago) I had applied to the EPO as an examiner - back then the only communication by the EPO was a one line e-mail declininig my application.

    Now I got a personal (possibly) LinkedIn message from an EPO HR Recruiter how great working at the EPO is, inviting me to apply and providing a hyperlink to their job-offers.

    It would be interesting to know how many applications they still get...

    Fragender

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  64. Trust me I' am your President says...

    We just hired for the IU two ex Judges specialised in Anti fraud, white collar crimes, war crimes and corruption!.. what other items are on the social agenda this year?

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  65. Trust me...,
    Paranoid? Moi??
    It never ends well. The only question is for whom?

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  66. BB's Early Certainty says..

    Nothing is more irritating for a President when his or her message is sent into a black hole when addressing the EPO staff. The whole problem with the EPO is that intelligent people are so full of doubts and for that reason we have to hire recently fools and fanatics that are always certain of themselves. As a President BB felt that he is still groping in the dark; he has chosen his path but keeps looking back, wondering whether he has misread the signs, whether he should not have taken the other way!

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  67. Another job vacancy at the EPO:

    President of the Boards of Appeal (INT/EXT/2141)
    https://www.epo.org/about-us/jobs/vacancies/other/INTEXT-2141.html

    Will be interesting to see if it goes to an EPO "insider" or whether the successful candidate will be an "external".

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  68. I am becoming increasingly concerned regarding the positions publicly espoused by Margot Fröhlinger.

    I can agree with her position that “There are no guarantees in life so no one is sure if the CJEU will agree on the legality of UK’s participation if challenged”. However, what are we to make of the fears that she has voiced about the UPCA unravelling due to the CJEU being “politically insensitive”? That is, how else can those fears be interpreted other than as concerns that the judiciary will not provide a ruling that is politically convenient (for the executive)?

    Further, indicating a belief that the CJEU will give “its blessing” to a revised UPC Agreement in which a non-EU Member State (i.e. the UK) participates can only be interpreted either as wishful thinking or an indication that undue pressure will be put on the CJEU to reach the "right" decision.

    The fact is, the CJEU should be left to its own devices to decide whether any new UPC Agreement is consistent with EU law. I have my doubts about whether this will be possible. This is not least because I struggle to see how the CJEU could, in relation to a system established under EU law, give its blessing to the participation of a country that is not obliged to follow rulings of the CJEU. However, I do not rule out the possibility that a system could be devised that might genuinely be consistent with EU law. That is, unlike Ms Fröhlinger, I have no intention of pre-judging the outcome.

    It seems that the EPO management in general (and not just the president) is in need of education regarding the different roles of the executive and the judiciary, as well as the importance of ensuring that one does not interfere with the other.

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  69. Proof...,
    I fear that delusions of grandeur abound. Much of the analysis (but not all) is based on how to get what they want - the UPC in operation asap. That seems to require the UK to sign up quickly, while the UK government is dealing with a Brexit scenario! There seems to be a lot of yes, yes but we are more important so the UK will act against its citizens' mandate as that's in our best interest. They may be surprised to hear that the UK government, irrespective of its personal opinion, is facing a new reality and may have reasons not to help them on this matter.
    It astounds me that there is such a lack of appreciation for the changed framework. All those pushing for change and acceptance of change appear to be the least able to accept change when it involves them.

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  70. Fantomas said:

    in Re to the Anonymous of Thursday, 21 July 2016 at 09:14:00 BST

    - Overrecruitment is discussed in internal FAQ's on Early Certainty, but not in the external one, of course.

    - Production demands for newcomers have always been inflating, as they doe for all other examiners on a yearly basis.

    - Contracts for examiners: the numbers are in the Social Report published by the EPO.

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  71. "Le roi est mort, vive le roi!" says..

    The King goes home!..the EPO has scheduled an EPO-SIPO conference in BB's hometown near Paris.

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  72. US becoming an EPO memberstate says...

    BB appoints A. Keyak a US national based in Washington as a "EPO Delegate to the United States" furthermore he gets carte blanche to establish a network within the Office to support him in his future role.

    It is clear that DG5 again has not read the EPO Serv. Regs, as to who can be appointed by the EPO and at what distance he has to reside from the EPO buildings,... home working on a permanent basis from Washington and not being a national of one of the EPO Member states is clearly something for the IU or are some Chinese, Japanese delegates to come as well? ... furthermore should the AC not be informed about BB's industry lobbyist activities behind the scenes for attracting foreign investments to France.

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  73. According to the minutes of the last meeting of Board 28, the president provided "new elements of information [...] on the disciplinary case of a Council appointee. Following an exchange of views, [the Board] indicated that it would reflect on the information, pending receipt of a legal note from the President."

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  74. @Double Jeopardy:

    yeah, just saw it too.
    How can there be new material NOW?
    Or did one of the newly hired guys find new evidence somewhere in the stack of material on the famous USB-storage element?


    Incredible.
    The most important thing hammered to me in the EPO-academy for examiners-to-be, was that every single communication should be as complete as possible, including ALL objections.
    We should not create new cases every time with new objections based on grounds previously known or foreseeable, but not formulated. We should not be lazy. Writing all down is procedurally efficient and gives better legal certainty to the party concerned and the public.
    Maybe we should politely ask the administration representatives to join the academy, so that they do learn this important element of procedure.
    It also causes one to reflect a bit more when hearing/reading something, before jumping to conclusion and action.

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  75. So there are "new elements of information" on the suspended member of the Boards of Appeal. So what? The sole disciplinary authority for that member has closed the case against him. The charges have effectively been dismissed.

    Some time ago, I posed the question of what the AC would do in the light of the disciplinary case being closed. I guess that we now have our answer: an "excuse" has been found for not immediately following the only legally sound course of action open to the AC, namely reinstatement (and appropriate compensation) of the member in question.

    Do I take it that the member (and his legal tem) has been fully informed of the "new elements of information" and has been provided with an opportunity to comment upon them (as well as the issue of res judicata)? Or is there not even a pretence at formal investigation / disciplinary proceedings here?

    If this carries on, then it will become impossible to avoid the conclusion that the AC and the President are colluding to subvert the provisions of the EPC. Whilst the immunities afforded to him mean that President can afford to be sanguine about the possible consequences of this, the members of the AC would do well to remember that their immunities are much more limited.

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  76. Et sinon je reprendrais bien des croquettesTuesday 27 September 2016 at 18:32:00 GMT+1

    Looks like a last, desperate attempt of battistelli and his henchmen to avoid that at the next AC the disciplinary case is closed.

    This Office has really become a banana republic.

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  77. If the matter were not so serious for the accused (or should that be former accused and/or victim?), this Wile E Coyote-esque persistence would draw a chuckle.
    As one person has pointed out, late filed submissions are required to be prima facie relevant and OK, maybe, if you can give us another reasoning because the one you have come with isn't good enough, isn't normally the procedure to follow.
    I note that, in the Social Study (?), PWC have found that the office's actions have met the requirement of the EPO's legal framework. The mind boggles about what wouldn't.

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  78. One of those EPO examiners...Tuesday 27 September 2016 at 20:32:00 GMT+1

    @Proof otP: there is no "Res Judicata" at the EPO, nor does ILO-AT require this of its member organisations (and the EPO is not a member of ILO-AT).

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  79. Ritenta e sarai più fortunatoTuesday 27 September 2016 at 21:46:00 GMT+1

    "the issue of res judicata"

    They would not go for the same accusations.

    Actually, rumors were circulating around the last meeting of the AC that the president had a completely new strategy to deal with the suspended member of the AC, since the first one did not work.

    A new accusation would have been made according to which the suspended member had discussed with an external IP lawyer a case in front of the BoA, thus contravening the requirement of confidentiality for anyone working at the office.

    That would have been considered as "misconduct" - the punishment for which we all know is dismissal.

    I have no further details - such as "when did this discussion take place", "was at an informal meeting", "which proof did they have", "did the office require the Lawyer to testify" or anything else.

    I understand the defense of the suspended member was aware of these rumors.










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  80. After the nomination of the BoA president, it will be easy to dismiss a BoA member.

    Art. 21. (…) “the President of the BOA will be responsible for proposing disciplinary action to the Administrative Council with regard to the members, including the Chairmen, of the BOA and the members of the EBA”.

    Just keep the case pending until the nomination of a BB friend as BoA president then the BoA suspended member will be dismissed.

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  81. Another rumour currently doing the rounds in Munich concerns a criminal complaint for defamation allegedly filed with the state prosecutor in Munich by a senior official of the EPO some time ago. This was reported in the Süddeutsche Zeitung in December 2014 and elsewhere in the German press.

    It is now rumoured that this complaint was recently rejected by the state prosecutor who seems to have taken the view that no act of defamation had been committed.

    Maybe this is the new element referred to by the President ?

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  82. @One of those

    Point 18 of the decision in case Art 23 1/16 makes it clear that at least the Enlarged Board of Appeal takes the issue of res judicata seriously, even if they did not apply it in that case. Of course, ILO-AT is a completely different kettle of fish.

    @Anon 06:03

    What you are suggesting is that "a proposal from the Enlarged Board of Appeal" (Article 23(1) EPC) could soon simply be interpreted as "a proposal from the President of the Enlarged Board of Appeal". Interesting suggestion. That certainly would not be my interpretation of Article 23(1) EPC. The EBoA and its president are not synonymous, and so my view is that the one cannot stand in for the other when it comes to explicit provisions of the EPC.

    Trouble is, what recourse would there be if (yet again) the EPO and the AC took action that arguably contravened the provisions of the EPC? Who is there to hold them to account? Perhaps this particular lacuna will prove to be the worst mistake of all by the founding fathers of the EPC.

    @Nolle prosequi

    I see that you have your tongue firmly in your cheek when suggesting that the (alleged) dismissal of VP3's defamation claims could amount to the "new element".

    But perhaps we should not rule out a link. If the defamation claims have been rejected, then it becomes clear that there is no sound legal basis for dismissing the accused member on the grounds of defamation. It is undoubted that this development could prove to be a major embarrassment for BB and his coterie (who, by the way, could stand safe behind their immunities if it ever were determined that they defamed anyone). What better way to take the sting out of this threat by going on the offensive and dragging up new "allegations" (related to the other allegation in case Art 23 1/16) that provide renewed justification for the investigation into the BoA member?

    With the disciplinary case closed, and with one of the allegations against the member (allegedly) being dismissed by an independent body, it is very hard to come up with a valid reason why the Office would adopt a "press on regardless" tactic. The actions of the Office therefore provide ample material for the generation of theories involving sinister conspiracies. So much for defending the reputation of the Office!

    Not to worry. No doubt there will be an "independent" study issued in which it is confirmed that the Office has acted with utmost propriety... oh wait, it has already issued! I am particularly impressed by PwC's range of expertise. If an above commentator (Empty) is correct, then it appears that "PWC have found that the office's actions have met the requirement of the EPO's legal framework". Amazing. I never realise that PwC employed individuals who were experts in patent law. Or, based upon what some allege is standard practice of certain accountancy firms (when producing financial audits), perhaps should we should instead interpret their statement to mean "this is what the EPO has told us and we have no reason to doubt the accuracy of their statement (though, sotto voce, we have not conducted any form of independent verification)". In this context, the rather odd choice of an accountancy firm to conduct a social study starts to make a lot more sense.

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  83. "this development could prove to be a major embarrassment for BB and his coterie"

    Pray, a major embarrassment in front of whom exactly? It appears that, given their supposed "immunity", these people don't give a s*§t about what the external word thinks.

    And for the AC, it will certainly not be informed of this major development but lavishly showered at the next meeting with fabulous production figures and the deriving money.

    Nothing to see here, move along ...

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  84. Have you seen this one in MICADO ?

    SUMMARY OF CONCLUSIONS
    of the 74th meeting of the
    BOARD OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE COUNCIL
    Munich, 8 September 2016

    under 4. Concerning AC and General Affairs

    "the Board noted information provided by the President about three
    current investigations/disciplinary proceedings involving SUEPO
    members in The Hague."

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  85. "the Board noted information provided by the President about three current investigations/disciplinary proceedings involving SUEPO members in The Hague."

    Yep. They decapitated the ranks of SUEPO in Munich and now they go for those in The Hague - of course, "a simple coincidence" as VP1 would say.

    And since the Investigation Unit is there to conveniently provide proof of guilt to the President, they are already dead meat.

    The AC will obviously look the other side ...

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  86. AC representatives being showered with "gifts" by the very body that they are supposed to oversee? If this is true, and if there is concrete proof of the same, would that not mean that the representatives concerned would need to declare a conflict of interest and step aside?

    Oh, I forgot. There is no one to call them to account. And there would be no one to replace the representatives if they did step aside. Hardly a model of good governance, though. One might even go as far as to say that it is a model of governance that could easily be corrupted if undesirable types managed to secure powerful positions within the Organisation. God forbid that this ever happens!

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  87. hoge Raad: Dutch judges are not allowed to assume responsibility in cases against the EPOrg.

    So, immunity upheld. SUEPO cannot file charges against the EPO anywhere, neither nationally or with ATILO (only for employees, not for,staff organisations).

    So, what about illegal activities of the national representatives who voted in favour of rules which are illegal in their own country?

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  88. should've read the publication (in Dutch) first, instead of just the headline....

    This is the opinion of "an independent expert". He states that the European Convention on Human Rights does not require access to indpendent courts, and that the internal procedures of the EPO, as well as ATILO, allow sufficient remedies.

    Well, the SUEPO does not have access to internal remedies, nor to ATILO....

    The new expected date for a decision is 20 January 2017.

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  89. Thanks for the press release.

    I will have to digest the actual "opinion" before commenting.

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  90. Et sinon je reprendrais bien des croquettesSaturday 1 October 2016 at 08:06:00 GMT+1


    From paragraph 2:19 of the opinion of the Prosecutor (Google translated):

    "The mere appeal to an alleged particularly serious breach of a norm of international law, or even a norm of jus cogens claim immunity from jurisdiction can not override . Honoring the claim immunity from jurisdiction by the courts in no way means that they held that infringement of property rights is permissible. It follows that the nature of the substantive rights at issue and the alleged severity of the infringement should not be included in the key or the proportionality requirement is met in the context of determining whether an application should be granted immunity from prosecution. I believe that the component also succeeds in this respect."

    In other word, immunity is absolute, and does not depend from the nature of the infringement.

    It is difficult to disagree, and a decision against SUEPO in January look improbable.

    I don't blame the Dutch Government to uphold this principle of International Law though its Prosecutor - yes, when a drunken diplomat kills a little girl with its car immunity is uphold, even in front of public outcry. I note, however, that in general the Diplomat will quietly be asked to leave the hosting state to silence the controversy.

    This is the least that the Dutch Government, through the AC, should require from EPO, to not appear to abide the abuses happening there.


    But this will never happen, of course, and a decision in favor of battistelli and his regime in January will only embolden him and his clique.

    It will be like saying "Here, Mr. battistelli: a blank cheque for you."

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  91. Et sinon je reprendrais bien des croquettesSaturday 1 October 2016 at 10:39:00 GMT+1

    Obviously, it should have been "and a decision in favour of SUEPO in January look improbable."

    Sorry for that.

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  92. I always read legal documents wrongly, so ignore me....Saturday 1 October 2016 at 12:41:00 GMT+1

    Well, IMHO the AG forgets that the immunity of the EPO is not absolute according to the PPI.
    It is limited to "within the scope of its official activities" (Art 3 PPI).
    Seeing the the EPO is continuoisly violating the PPI (by refusing any negotiations under Art. 20(2)PPI), where does the "scope" of official duties end?
    Art 3(4) gives a hint:
    (4)
    The official activities of the Organisation shall, for the purposes of this Protocol, be such as are strictly necessary for its administrative and technical operation, as set out in the Convention.

    Anything outside of the convention is not falling under immunities... And anything in implementing regulations, or other secondary law, is too easily amended, and can therefore not be protected by the claimed immunity grom everything.

    There larger issue working against SUEPO is the requirement of the ffice not being allowed to be put under restraints in one site, but not in the others. And the Dutch courts jurisdiction does not extend to Munich and Berlin and Bruxelles and Vienna......
    Immunity might not be given, but a decision against the EPO may be refused under this requirement.

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  93. To: "Et sinon je reprendrais bien des croquettes"

    When a drunken diplomat kills a little girl, immunity is upheld, but the diplomat is declared "persona non grata" and sent back to his or her country. The diplomat is then supposed to be judged there.

    The Vienna convention was never designed so that diplomats can kill little girls with impunity. It was designed to protect, for example, USA diplomats to be judged for "anti-communist activities" in the former USSR.

    In the case of International organisations, however, I am not really sure how the "persona non grata" concept is supposed to apply.

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  94. Something else.

    It has been 3 months since the Enlarged Board published that the EPO President violated judicial independence and nothing has happened. This is outrageous.

    There is also the subject of the frivolity of the accusations. The board of appeal member who is the subject of the decision did, as far as I can tell from the available documents, nothing wrong. The accusations were downright ridiculous: having "objects which can be constructed as weapons" and "nazi memorabilia". The exact wording at the time fails me, but it really sounded as if they combed his office and found nothing but a pocket knife and an history book to frame him.

    This is also absolutely outrageous. It looks like the so called "investigation team", even with major breaches of confidentiality (they bugged the computers used by the Council themselves, remember?) could not find anything serious and yet the board member is still guilty. Of what?

    Next, we have had members of Suepo dismissed for, apparently, also nothing. Pure "coincidence", according to a vice-president. Apparently, a few more will be dismissed soon.

    As it was said on German TV: this is "Gantanamo auf Deutschem Boden". How long will this scandal last?

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  95. The Vienna convention was never designed so that diplomats can kill little girls with impunity. It was designed to protect, for example, USA diplomats to be judged for "anti-communist activities" in the former USSR.

    Isn't that just the point.
    The EPO's immunity is designed to protect French Enarques from being pursued for "anti-union activities" on the territory of EPOnia.
    I see no incompatibility with the aims of the Vienna Convention ...

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  96. As it was said on German TV: this is "Gantanamo auf Deutschem Boden". How long will this scandal last? "

    For evil to prevail it is only necessary that good men do nothing ...

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  97. Deliberate and sustained process that aims to destroy the credibility and reputation of a personWednesday 5 October 2016 at 17:27:00 GMT+1

    @John Doe

    The original accusation was that the member of the board of appeal used the public computers of the Office to spread "defamatory" material on VP3 - the weapons and nazi memorabilia were conveniently found later in his office and used for a classical case of character assassination.

    To further reinforce the narrative about defamation, VP3 sued the member of the board of appeal for in a German court - you may have read the outcome above (28/09): it appears that the Procurator dismissed the case recently.

    How long will this scandal last?

    Scandal? Who says this is a "scandal" - you? And what about Newspapers, Lawyers, Judges, the IP world? Did you see any reaction from them? Because I didn't. Therefore, it's not a scandal. The Administrative Council is acting like this is totally normal. No scandal here.

    If you wanna a scandal read TMZ.

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  98. "The accusations were downright ridiculous: having "objects which can be constructed as weapons" and "nazi memorabilia". The exact wording at the time fails me, but it really sounded as if they combed his office and found nothing but a pocket knife and an history book to frame him."

    Yeah, so ridiculous that they were eventually dropped by the "prosecution" and did not feature in the June proceedings.
    However, rumour has it that a certain batty-brain keeps trotting them out at regular intervals to remind his retainers why the suspension should be maintained.

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  99. It doesn't seem to be possible to post further comments.
    Has the thread reached its limit ?

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  100. To further reinforce the narrative about defamation, VP3 sued the member of the board of appeal for in a German court - you may have read the outcome above (28/09): it appears that the Procurator dismissed the case recently.

    Actually it was VP4 who tried to file a lawsuit in Germany.

    His litigation track record is not so hot.
    In January 2015 he apparently lost a defamation lawsuit in his home country:
    http://techrights.org/2015/03/18/full-judgment-against-topic/

    Now it seems that the German Procurator didn't even consider it worthwhile opening proceedings against the person accused of defamation.

    But don't worry he still enjoys the favour of the Lord Protector of Eponia.



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  101. Well my last comment about VP4 seems to have been suppressed.

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  102. No I think it is still possible to post.

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  103. Has the thread reached its limit ?

    It seems so.

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  104. Dear team of IPkat,
    I haven't seen a post about the situation at the EPO since a couple of months. How come? Do you think there are no news? Have you been threatened? 3 staff rep in The Hague are being under investigation at the moment. Staff is planning demo next week. How come you do not report about it?

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  105. @balloon:

    that is no real wonder.
    Internally only the last two weeks things started happening.

    We live in a cycle of 3 months, which is dictated by the four meetings of the AC every year.

    Management tables their proposals as late as possible, to deny everyone a possibility to fully read all the papers and make an informed opinion, thus eliminating any possibility for positive feedback (this became an obvious tactic under Miss Brimelow) and staff has learnt to wait for the proposals to be on the table instead of guessing what might come.

    The fight for PR has already started on management side, the staff has a bit more difficulty with that, as it has less money available for that, and is not allowed to discuss anything our management considers to be internal matters anywhere. We have even been urged not to discuss among ourselves or with our union committee(s)...

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  106. Social Monologue (disguised as Dialogue)Monday 10 October 2016 at 17:00:00 GMT+1

    We have even been urged not to discuss among ourselves or with our union committee(s)...

    Yours is not to question why, yours but to grant or reject.

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  107. New rumour circulating at the EPO:

    It is being whispered in the corridors of the EPO Isar building that VP4 has applied for the job as President of the Boards of Appeal citing his vast experience in litigation matters and his extensive knowledge of court procedures including appeals.

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  108. Meeting B..B.., Bob Hope and Johnny Cash says...

    "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw

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  109. Et sinon je reprendrais bien des croquettesTuesday 11 October 2016 at 20:20:00 GMT+1

    "VP4 has applied for the job as President of the Boards of Appeal"

    Siegfried Bross as President of the Boards of Appeal! - who's with me?

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  110. Siegfried Bross as President of the Boards of Appeal! - who's with me?

    Certainly not Blatterstelly and his chums in the Admin Council.

    The Prof. has publicly exposed them as the parcel of rogues that they are:
    http://ipkitten.blogspot.de/2015/11/former-judge-says-actions-of-ac-and.html

    And the Procurator-General of the EPO, VP5 is also likely to take a dim view of the public criticism of that exquisite Corsican delicacy "la justice à la sauce Battistelli":
    http://ipkitten.blogspot.de/2015/11/by-juve-epo-responds-to-professor-bro.html

    With enemies like that his prospects of securing the job - were he interested it - would be sub-zero.

    But someho I doubt whether the good Professor would even be interested in a role as a second-grade Kapo in the wilderness of Haar.

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  111. Are there any news about the fate of the suspended member of the BoA?

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  112. Yes. He remains suspended. Until the end of his term.
    In accordance with the will of the President.

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  113. Bringbackalib. says

    C uddly little furry things on the farm
    H ere, the Danish government sees no harm
    I n an opening statement from the AC Chair
    N o scandal here, no scandal there
    C aptain Batters got little or nothing waved through
    H ave the AC FINALLY landed a coup
    I 'm delighted to learn VP3 has been thrown some meat
    L ittle less pay, but keeps him off the street
    L astly, a threatening object was found under a delegates car
    A rogue laptop, good weekend, I'm off to the bar

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  114. New BOAC constituted. IPKat asleep as usual.

    http://www.juve.de/nachrichten/namenundnachrichten/2016/10/europaeisches-patentamt-bgh-richter-geht-in-neuen-beschwerdekammer-ausschuss

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  115. A Social Undertakers Conference says...

    My dear Eponians talk about it, rehash it, rethink it, cross analyze it, debate it, respond to it, get paranoid about it, compete with it, complain about it, immortalize it, cry over it, kick it, defame it, stalk it, gossip about it, pray over it, put it down or dissect its motives before it continues to rot in our brains. It is dead. It is over. It is gone. It is done. It is time to bury it because it is smelling up our professional lives. Join me and bury it!

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  116. Dear Anonymous at 12.12

    What are you talking about? - I think you might be on a Brexit forum by error? Except, I fear that B..... will not be buried, the Social Conference, on the other hand, never having breathed a single breath, so how would it ever get so far as to be buried?

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  117. Disappointing lack of EPO information here these days. Has Merpel been neutered? Or worse stil had an accident with a diplomatic car. Let's hope she's happily chasing small furry creatures in Denmark and will be back soon.

    Charley

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  118. Why is this post still in the top 5? What happened afterwards? Is the guy dismissed or not?

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  119. Why is this post still in the top 5? What happened afterwards? Is the guy dismissed or not?

    No. Battistelli is still there.
    The AC didn't take any disciplinary action against him.
    Casado and Topic were also renewed.

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  120. Not dismissed. Under the new regulations adopted in June, he remains suspended. Without any running procedure.
    In a clear violation of judiciary independence....

    So, it looks like he'll remain suspended until his end of term, and with current management no chance of reappointment.
    This is a hidden disciplinary measure...
    If new allegations pop up, these are likely to be the result of the previous investigation, which under national procedures would not be permitted to be used during a different procedure...

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  121. Quite frankly, this is unacceptable. The EPO's whole purpose is to uphold the law (on patents). How can they be trusted to do that properly when they do not even follow their own internal rules and procedures, let alone common principles on the rule of law (or human rights)?

    The EPO (and the AC) would do well to remember the importance of ensuring that not only is justice done but that it is seen to be done. The damage to the EPO's reputation (and to that of all professionals working in the patent sphere) could be immense if this is not handled properly. Indeed, that ship may well have already sailed.

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  122. Et sinon je reprendrais bien des croquettesSunday 23 October 2016 at 13:24:00 GMT+1

    Quite frankly, this is unacceptable. The EPO's whole purpose [etc. etc.]

    [Yawn] ...

    Trop c’est trop. Battistelli doit partir (Philip Cordery, 11.10.2016)

    [double Yawn] ...

    "Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence"

    [more Yawns] ...

    Et sinon, ces croquettes, ca vient?

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  123. @Proof

    The EPO's whole purpose is to uphold the law (on patents).

    Sorry, that was yesterday, before the "much needed" reforms to "modernize" the European Patent Office.

    Now the whole purpose seems to be lining the pockets of the Representatives of the AC so that they can fake [mild] outrage at what is going on - or no outrage at all at the President violating judicial independence.

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  124. Scouser

    The ship sailed a long time ago.....3 years ago

    And the silence here is not just embarassing its highly suspicious

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  125. I still don't understand. What did the guy do to justify all this nonsense? Is he active in the union like the others who were fired?

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  126. Don't know if he was/is a union member (DG3 tend not to be), but he was said to have had contact with a staff rep who has since been fired. Whether he did or didn't and whether that was improper or not I don't know - all such allegations are not allowed to be revealed by the parties hence any discussion between them could also have been a disciplinary matter in its own right. Such is the system in place - to discuss or disclose a procedure is in itself a crime.

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  127. @Questions

    It is not actually known what he did as the merits on the case have never been heard. It has been thrown out by the EBoA on at least two occasions due to incompetence and interference by the senior management of the EPO. In any other legal system in the EU this would have been enough for him to be re-instated, probably with compensation, however in Eponia...

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  128. When do we expect the decision of the Bundesverfassungsgericht in 2 BvR 2480/10 and 2 BvR 421/13?

    Also, could the evident failure of the Office to carry out instructions of the Enlarged Board of Appeal undermine any argument that the Boards are independent of the Office?

    The overpowering stench emanating from the manner in which the Office is being managed and overseen could well yet reach the noses of the judges in Karlsruhe.

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  129. So union representatives were fired for reasons they cannot explain to the staff they represent? What precludes them to do so, if they are out anyway?

    History tells us that the only reason union representatives are attacked by management is that management plans to degrade the staff working conditions considerably: reduce salaries, increase working hours or simply fire everyone and get cheaper staff. Probably present staff members should start looking for another job.

    It is not necessarily a bad thing for the customers, by the way. Patents will be cheaper if the staff is replaced by cheaper employees.

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  130. What did the guy do to justify all this nonsense?

    Lèse-majesté ?

    See more on Wikipedia:
    Lèse-majesté


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  131. Questions,
    What precludes them?
    A. Any appeal against dismissal would be before the ILO. It is an administrative tribunal I.e. It only checks that the rules were followed. To do something against the rules, no matter how lacking in justice they are, would be a negative point and endanger the appeal.
    B. To do so would endanger the member of the Board of Appeal as it would provide 'evidence' to be used against him/her.
    C. The EPO pays the sacked person's pension. That can be reduced by the office so they are still under EPO control.
    D. The office is also seeking to veto employment after leaving the office employment. Annoying them is a risky idea.

    Does that answer your question?

    PS Cheaper staff = cheaper patents? Really? Why? Do you think the saving will be passed on? Remember BB has studies that show the office has financial problems. Saving costs may save money but will that not be needed for his problems? I will leave the issue of whether cheaper staff means lower quality means more litigation means more cost - that needs another and deeper analysis.

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  132. Money, money, money; it's a rich man's world!Monday 24 October 2016 at 23:31:00 GMT+1

    @Questions:
    "We" are making more than 1.000.000 EUR per working day. We are self-financing, not more, not less.
    Yet, we are making money on a scale that everyone could go on maximum pensions right now, and for the next ten years there will be absolutely no need for reforms.
    And the last reforms (career) already means a saving of several hundred millions per year in 2035....

    Nope, you will not see a single cent of any saved money. You can withdraw and get a full refund on exam fees.
    That is as far as the AC will go, as that is not their money...

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  133. cheaper patents

    Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the concept of "cheaper patents" (of lower quality) part of an integral package including the vital component of "cheaper litigation" (for the big players) via the UPC?

    Now that the second part of the formula has apparently been "put on ice" for the foreseeable future it seems that we are going to be left with "cheaper patents" (of lower quality).

    But "cheaper" for whom exactly ?

    Roll up! Roll up! Get your cheap patents 'ere!
    One for everybody in the audience !

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  134. 1: so they can fire you at will and prohibit you to work afterwards or they keep your pensions? Who will be stupid enough to apply to be hired under these conditions?

    2: the EPO will decrease costs but not lower the fees? What will they do with the excess money?

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  135. @Questions

    1. Now you are beginning to understand the problem. To be fair most of the people being fired joined long before these new rules applied so I don't think you can call them stupid.

    2. Don't forget that this largesse is in the hands of the President. So... Bonuses to the wonderful senior management to start. National offices will be able to find something to do with what is left over.

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  136. @ A Nonni Mouse

    Don't forget that there's an election campaign coming up in France ...

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  137. 1: I am not saying the people already in are stupid, but that only stupid people would chose to work for the EPO today. Who is going to apply for a job under these conditions? Besides, there are plenty of "normal" employers looking for engineers in Munich, BMW for example. Don't you think it is a much smarter move to work for BMW, which will pay your pensions and where any experience you get will be valuable in your career than for the EPO? The pay is not that different, especially if one has a few years experience, which the EPO will not take into account. The question is therefore: how can the EPO expect to recruit?

    2: "largesses and election campaign": the EPO is a public administration. That would be embezzlement. Surely, there must be some rules and controls of the finances?

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  138. "largesses and election campaign": the EPO is a public administration. That would be embezzlement. Surely, there must be some rules and controls of the finances?

    Dream on. The Administrative Council abolished its Audit Committee back in 2011 (about a year or so after it had been set up ...).
    http://techrights.org/2014/10/31/brimelow-and-battistelli/

    But yes, there are "rules and controls of the finances".
    There's even an "internal audit" department (which is mostly occupied with investigations against staff reps these days).

    And just for good measure, all internal audit functions are under the control of the President ...

    Honi soit qui mal y pense.

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  139. Latest news from is that the Budget & Finance Committee of the Admin Council has approved the "resettlement" of the Boards of Appeal to Haar.

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  140. Latest HR trend says...

    Publishing new Euro contract vacancies and forcing at the same time Eponians to leave their permanent positions for the sake of gaining excessive HR control (temporary contracts and probation periods galore!). Trust me I am your HR manager!... see you at the next social conference.

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  141. the Budget & Finance Committee of the Admin Council has approved the "resettlement" of the Boards of Appeal to Haar.


    13 votes in favour, 8 against and 15 abstentions.

    It seems that 63% of the voters do not agree with the move of the BoA to Haar.

    Abstentions, however, are not taken into consideration when counting the votes.

    The move to Haar, therefore, has been approved by 61% of the voters.

    Magic at the EPO!

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  142. Magic at the EPO says...

    BoA: To the great silent majority of the B28 and AC we ask your support.
    BB: Hmmm...the Silent Majority is a phase used by Homer to describe the dead!

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  143. It seems to me that this is a case in which weighting of votes in accordance with Article 36 EPC would be justified.

    Weighting of votes
    (1) In respect of the adoption or amendment of the Rules relating to Fees and, if the financial contribution to be made by the Contracting States would thereby be increased, the adoption of the budget of the Organisation and of any amending or supplementary budget, any Contracting State may require, following a first ballot in which each Contracting State shall have one vote, and whatever the result of this ballot, that a second ballot be taken immediately, in which votes shall be given to the States in accordance with paragraph 2. The decision shall be determined by the result of this second ballot.

    I wonder if the AC delegates have actually read the rule book?

    http://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/epc/2016/e/ar36.html

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  144. Atlas Obscura says..

    The EPO is for sure a magic place with its 365 day/year Halloween, leave-no-trace social conferences and its alien AC support forces. Happy Halloween!

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  145. Re. Art. 36 EPC (weighing of votes):
    Germany did not vote no in the Budget and Finance Committee...
    I assume, Munich is happy that another building is now in use, thus earning taxes.
    As a side effect, more of the EPO money is leeched towards Germany.

    Without the Garman vote, the weighing will be very close against the mass of smaller countries coming to the Administrative Council meeting in December (meeting 150! time for a fancy dinner!).

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  146. Yes the German delegation seems to be playing a double game here.
    During the June assembly they did not make any criticism of the planned move.

    The only delegations that criticised or questioned the proposal were as follows.


    Switzerland
    "The boards' location falls within the EPO President's powers. In the redesigned framework, the BOA President would also play a role, by drawing up their budget. Only via the budget can the Council exercise direct influence. So this is not a formal request either; we are merely pointing out that in our opinion the boards' location has no bearing on their independence. The Swiss delegation is therefore not prepared to agree to any spending on relocating the boards, and suggests leaving them where they are."

    Ireland
    "Relocation: Ireland believes that a separate location for the boards of appeal is neither justified nor required. Users have already expressed the view that
    the boards are considered to be independent from the rest of the Office and the fact that the boards are physically located in the Isar building does not
    impinge on their independence. It seems that even a relocation within Munich would give rise to unnecessary expense and my delegation cannot see that the expenditure associated with such a move could be justified."

    Austria
    "As far as relocating the boards was concerned, those most immediately affected, i.e.BOA members and users, would have to agree. And the cost – even in the
    Munich area – would also have to be taken into account."

    Netherlands
    There was no point relocating the boards, as proposed in Section C of CA/43/16; this would merely waste money.

    Slovakia
    "The Office's relocation proposal was certainly better than the original one, but even such a move should still be presented to the Budget and Finance Committee for opinion, because it would cost a lot of money."

    Czech Republic
    "Lastly, on the relocation issue it agreed with earlier speakers. This was more an internal management issue, and should be uncoupled from the
    independence question. But if the majority was in favour of a move, it would oppose it."

    Bulgaria
    "Relocation did not seem essential, and the costs involved should be looked into."

    Denmark
    "Lastly, it was certainly not convinced that relocating the boards – whether in Munich or the vicinity – would make them look more independent."

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  147. Apparently my post from last week went lost...

    Anyway, the real question is how long is this supposed to last? It is becoming quite clear that quite a few problems are still open:
    -the one cited in this article: is this all what is going to happen? The President can dismiss a board of appeal member (or put it in a legal limbo, which is effectively the same thing) at will and violate judicial independence and... that's it?
    -the one with the dismissed union representatives: they are just out and that's it? They are not going to be reintegrated?
    -the ridiculous resettlement of the boards. Really?
    -and there is really no real control of the finances of a PUBLIC body which produces hundreds of millions euros every year? Did I hear that correctly?

    Am I the only one to wonder?

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  148. -and there is really no real control of the finances of a PUBLIC body which produces hundreds of millions euros every year? Did I hear that correctly?

    The figure is 2 billion euros.

    And there is real control - by Big Ben himself, El Presidente.
    You can't get much realer than that.

    So what exactly is your problem pussy-cat?

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  149. A further union représentative was fired this morning... purely by coincidence would Minnoye say.

    Now we know how much respect the President has for the council. Next he'll probably fire them...

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  150. Now we know how much respect the President has for the council. Next he'll probably fire them...

    Not a chance. They'll be fine as long as they keep kissing his a** !

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  151. Blundering forward says...

    AC: "Of course, BB and his VP's always look forward to the day when they can do a big courtroom case!"

    SR: " Each in the BB team seem to have two perfectly good legs but, however, they have never learned to walk forward"

    PwC: " If we can't begin to agree on fundamentals such as the elimination of the most abusive forms of staff reps, then we are not ready to march forward into the future."

    BoA: " Dismissal is never the way forward on our shared path to free speech and justice"

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  152. What the Register, Techrights and French MPs seem to forget is that:
    -the dismissed person was already unable to do any union work, he has been sick for months. Dismissing him makes no sense whatsoever.
    -the timing is strange, right after the administrative council budget committee showed little support for Battistelli and (that part was already reported) after the council clearly asked for no more dismissals.
    -the timing is also strange because the so-called "social conference" restarts to morrow Monday. I know few people are convinced that the "social conference" is little more than an exercise in propaganda, but announcing a dismissal right before there are talks with the staff seems peculiar to say the least.

    Some people say (in private) that Battistelli mental health gives reasons to worry. I don't know whether that is true, but maybe now is the time to ask the question.

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  153. It's a shame. Another elected staff representative has been dismissed, the third now. He is not allowed to speak about the whole procedure as he would risk the loss of his pensions rights by telling details. Reminds me of a totalitarian regime. And nobody seems to care (apart from a few people).

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  154. Et sinon je reprendrais bien des croquettesMonday 7 November 2016 at 06:56:00 GMT

    Battistelli mental health gives reasons to worry.

    Nonsense. This is the behavior of a perfectly sane ... bully.

    Denied his last "reforms" by the AC - in particular new disciplinary measures whose withdrawal has been welcomed by the staff - Mr. Battistelli with the firing of a further staff representative - against an explicit request of the AC in March not to do so - reminds the AC who is Boss here.

    The most worrying thing is that, by doing so, Mr. Battistelli does not give a s*#t to further tarnish the reputation of the Office, and in particular of the AC that clearly looks like has no control on him. His personal goals are more important than the reputation of the Organization he's presiding.

    As even IAM acknowledges "If the reports are accurate – and that is not certain given all the agendas – this does look like a needless own goal.”

    Yes: a man with such a childish behavior controls an International Organization with a budget of 2 billion euros.

    Ah, and at the next AC in December, the fate of the suspended member of the BoA must also be decided.

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  155. Scouser says

    Morale will only improve when law, justice and the framework for mutual respect and fairplay are restored at the EPO. There is no excuse for those with the highest of authority not to remove this toxic Enarque and his clique. The country responsible for this toxic entryism at the EPO should
    now financially and morally support all those victims, including Laurent, who have suffered at the hands of the Enarquien tyrant. A disgrace to the ENA, a disgrace to Europe....

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  156. Board 28 meets this week. Any agenda?
    Boards of Appeal Committee meets for the first time on 28.11? Anyone know if they are discussing Haar? Or the disciplinary case?? Is the first a fait accompli and the second perhaps another chance to re-open matters?

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