tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post2625430441163127587..comments2024-03-28T16:45:51.051+00:00Comments on The IPKat: New Espacenet: Improved search functionality but reduced accessibilityVerónica Rodríguez Arguijohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05763207846940036921noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-58616982735765729012020-11-18T07:22:53.358+00:002020-11-18T07:22:53.358+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymous https://www.blogger.com/profile/13525125732225630141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-7308847610712089502020-08-15T12:24:27.767+01:002020-08-15T12:24:27.767+01:00An update: new espace does in fact find GB 585791,...An update: new espace does in fact find GB 585791, but still with the same limited information. The problem was that, as noted by Attentive Observer, new espace is very picky about how you enter the number. Old espace happily finds GB585971 (no space after "GB"). New espace needs a space between "GB" and "585971". Ronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-89568825866886874662020-08-14T14:25:27.322+01:002020-08-14T14:25:27.322+01:00Old espace is not without its problems. As I noted...Old espace is not without its problems. As I noted in a letter published in the May 2020 CIPA journal, while the UKIPO had provided the EPO with an essentially complete PDF collection of its patents, it seems that the EPO has replaced some of them with just the far from error-free machine-recognised text of the abridgement, description, and claims. For the drawings you are referred to those of allegedly-equivalent patents, which in the case of the one I wanted, were far from being equivalent. The document in question was GB585791 (not GB595971 that I dyslexically wrote in the CIPA letter. <br /><br />At least old espace did find it: on checking just now, new improved espace says it does not exist! <br /><br />Admittedly my experience is based on a single document, but it seems highly unlikely that mine would happen to be the only one of the many hundreds of thousands of GB patents that has been treated in this way.<br /><br />Personally I shall continue using the excellent German Patent Office's DEPATISNET. It has an english-language interface for non-german speakers, with basic and expert mode interfaces, the latter providing user-customisable presentations of search results Ronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-61598745192608331842020-08-11T15:26:29.271+01:002020-08-11T15:26:29.271+01:00As long as the old Espacenet will be available I w...As long as the old Espacenet will be available I will not use the new one. I can only agree with the comments above. <br /><br />What is still a pain is the way you have to input the number of a document, lets say you want to consult as it has been cited in a TBA decision. Instead of WO 2007/123456 you need to delete the / in the middle. You cannot input the number as you find it. EP 2 222 222 has to be input EP2222222. Japanese documents are difficult to retrieve, be it with the new or the old Espacenet. This will not change for a while as I have been told by a member of the Espacenet team during the break of a conference held on the EPO premisses. <br /><br />I do agree, the new Espacenet is a nice try but the EPO could do better. However the self glorification forces of the EPO have struck again. Attentive Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-55834016561993779782020-08-11T10:46:44.625+01:002020-08-11T10:46:44.625+01:00Thanks for the article. I'm a dilettante user ...Thanks for the article. I'm a dilettante user of classic Espacenet and don't like the new one at all. What I think though is irrelevant; the pro users are the ones that matter. And from the comments above, they seem to be even more dissatisfied than me.<br /><br />What do we learn from this? What Simon & Garfunkel sang, half a century ago, and what Amazon Chief Bezos grasped decades ago: The over-riding objective is that you've gotta keep your customer satisfied. Perhaps the EPO doesn't need to with quite the same urgency as a company with its competitors breathing down its neck but that's an advantage. The EPO can take the time it needs, to make New Espace better than it is currently.<br /><br />Come on EPO. It's not too late, to solicit feedback, think about it, and then act diligently upon it. From the comments above, you enjoy quite an accumulation of goodwill from your pro customers. Don't squander it, please.Max Dreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03338443708960801180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-56974622297878895152020-08-11T09:56:07.750+01:002020-08-11T09:56:07.750+01:00I could not agree more with the comments in relati...I could not agree more with the comments in relation to accessibility of the New Espacenet. The changes proposed in the article relating to the second window would be welcome. The ability to customise what is viewed in each window would be useful but also the ability to close or minimise one of the windows would be great. Stewart Eccleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06867443179037823491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-87663762355154659472020-08-11T09:45:05.231+01:002020-08-11T09:45:05.231+01:00I'm glad I'm not the only one finding the ...I'm glad I'm not the only one finding the "new" version hard to use. I agree on all your comments about the display. For serious work involving flicking between multiple documents, claims vs description etc, the classic version is a must. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-87934584921612839352020-08-11T09:42:26.423+01:002020-08-11T09:42:26.423+01:00Hate the new Espacenet with a vengeance: I find it...Hate the new Espacenet with a vengeance: I find it clunky and unintuitive for some reason. Have kept trying to like it ever since they launched it and I still can’t take to it, so am continuing to use Classic in the hope that it will be improved at some point. I have sent them my feedback.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08548042826143888467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-53922834264436373212020-08-11T09:33:18.200+01:002020-08-11T09:33:18.200+01:00great article - I have found new espacenet hard to...great article - I have found new espacenet hard to use and adapt to. My biggest substantove issue- the difference in numbers of docs found for the same keyword search may be explained by simultaeneous search in multiple lagnuages (whichI had no idea was happening)- but I don't think so. Thios was the case even when I limited it to just title and batract via the compelx search. The inabiltiy to re-size docs or remove the drawinsg page - also a pain, and whilst I would probably get used to the advanced search - it is so diffiult to use for merely simple search, this renders it inaccessible and unusable for most of the general public - whereas most can figure out hopw to put three words - say - int he abtract or title box on classic and know what it means, the default to all text searching is also a pain - and unrecognisbale to a new or inexpert user - whatever was supposed to be fixed by moving away form Classic has very sadly done away with all the benefits and simplicity abnd elegance of Classic - sorry EPO Team I know you tried hard, I would recommend back to the drawing board. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13011979534654644388noreply@blogger.com