tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post3419956785361626415..comments2024-03-29T12:23:31.959+00:00Comments on The IPKat: When 'genuine' isn't 'genuine'Verónica Rodríguez Arguijohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05763207846940036921noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-40796996481350468052010-02-01T17:43:42.903+00:002010-02-01T17:43:42.903+00:00Did the court in PAGO really say that reputation i...Did the court in PAGO really say that reputation in Austria was sufficient to constitute a reputation in a substantial part of the territory of the EU, or did it say that you have to look at the circumstances of each case to determine whether one state constitutes a substantial part of the EU territory (contrary to the Advocat General's opinion that one member state cannot constitute a substantial etc)?<br /><br />If you sell hurling sticks (crucial accessories for a great Irish sport), Ireland probably does account for a substantial part of the EU for that market, but when you're considering a mass market product sold throughout the EU (fruit juice?), it seems illogical from any viewpoint - and particularly that of the average consumer - to think that any one state aside perhaps from the largest is a subtantial part of the EU market for those goods.<br /><br />With regard to the BOIP decision, even though an Anglo-Saxon, I agree with the previous poster's comments.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16161520338308447439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-40358597403831527662010-01-28T13:04:52.590+00:002010-01-28T13:04:52.590+00:00At last the “politically correct” opinion suffers ...At last the “politically correct” opinion suffers a set back.<br /><br />The following IPKat sentence written on January 22, 2010: “It would also be strange if the single territory of the Community adopted a different principle from that operating in member states, where the use of a trade mark in just one small corner of a very large jurisdiction is still regarded as genuine if it fulfils other criteria of use.” shows that - as many other persons - the author apparently did not really study nor consider the problem in its entirety:<br /><br />- as regards Geographically sufficient use for CTMs, one simply cannot apply the same criteria as for national or Benelux TMs for an obvious reason: on a national level, there is no “fall-back” option since there is no Scottish not Bavarian TM, meaning that -subject to the legal practice of each involved country- a genuine use in Scotland (or even a part thereof) might do to keep in force a UK TM or a genuine use in Luxemburg might do to keep in force a Benelux TM; on the other hand, on a EU level, the national (& WIPO) TMs constitute such a “fall-back” position and there is for example no reason to “pollute” 24 TM registers by using a CTM in 3 countries and pretending to maintain this super-powerful right “for ever” in the EU; whereas the preceding is plain common sense, many persons only reluctantly agree and certainly do not want to draw the necessary logical consequences;<br /><br />- IPKat should try to seriously think about the meaning of “(genuine use) in the Community” (CTMR, Article 15.1); <br /><br />- IPKat should try to seriously think about the meaning of § 37 of the HIWATT decision (CFI, December 12, 2002: HIWATT/Kabushiki Kaisha Fernandes -T-39/01), a decision which, despite much wishful thinking from its opponents, was not at all “invalidated” by the more recent jurisprudence (which contains almost nothing on the geographical use of CTMs): “...genuine use means that the mark must be present in a substantial part of the territory where it is protected...”);<br /><br />- IPKat should read (again) position papers on the risks incurred by too low (geographical) use requirements as regards CTMs, in particular the articles written by Luis-Alfonso Durán (2005), Jaroslaw Kulikowski (2005), Fabio Angelini (2005 & 2006) and the 50-60 p study I wrote with Dr Alliana Heymann in 2006-2007 further to a presentation I made during the 2006 ECTA Annual Conference.<br /><br />But ever repeating or writing the same conformist “arguments” is of course easier... Still I will never understand how Anglo-Saxons who are familiarised (and fully agree) with the (very) demanding use requirements in Canada or in the USA can be so “tolerant” and “lax” vis-à-vis the lack of any serious use requirements for the CTMs, meaning that there is no efficient mean to eliminate the ever increasing amount of “deadwood” (= CTMs which are not or not widely enough used); these gentlemen should be aware that clogged TM registers are a serious problem when you want to create and protect new brands: this is a much more relevant business issue than – whether this is deliberate or not – just defending those who own existing rights and want to keep them forever; indeed a very static and conservative way of envisaging business life...<br /><br />François GRIESMAR, IP LawyerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-7589080735415290052010-01-27T16:47:26.798+00:002010-01-27T16:47:26.798+00:00Very interesting, since I am awaiting a decision r...Very interesting, since I am awaiting a decision relating to exactly the same matter, i.e. whether the use is/was sufficient to ground a National (UK) trademark right.<br /><br />JPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-80855430999346576132010-01-27T10:12:12.115+00:002010-01-27T10:12:12.115+00:00In my opinion, there are several criteria that mu...In my opinion, there are several criteria that must be taken into account in determining the sufficiency of use of a CTM within a single Member State, and are as follows:<br /><br />- first of all, and as the community judge has held: the territorial scope of the use is only one of several factors to be taken into account in the determination of whether it is genuine or not (see, to that effect, judgment of the Court of Justice of 11 May 2006 in Case C-416/04 P The Sunrider Corporation v OHIM (‘Vitafruit’) [2006] ECR I-4237, at paragraph 76, and judgment of the General Court of 10 September 2008 in Case T-325/06 Boston Scientific Ltd v OHIM (‘Capio’) [2008] ECR publication pending, at paragraph 46; see also to that effect and by analogy, order of the Court of Justice of 27 January 2004 in Case C-259/02 La Mer Technology, Inc. v Laboratoires Goemar SA (‘Laboratoire de la mer’) [2004] ECR I-1159, at paragraph 24).<br /><br />- Second: it is not possible to determine a priori, and in the abstract, what quantitative (and territorial?) threshold should be chosen in order to determine whether use is genuine or not. A ‘de minimis’ rule, which would not allow the national court to appraise all the circumstances of the dispute before it, cannot therefore be laid down (see to that effect, order of the Court of Justice of 27 January 2004 in Case C-259/02 La Mer Technology, Inc. v Laboratoires Goemar SA (‘Laboratoire de la mer’) [2004] ECR I-1159, at paragraph 25; and judgment of the Court of Justice of 11 May 2006 in Case C-416/04 P The Sunrider Corporation v OHIM (‘Vitafruit’) [2006] ECR I-4237, at paragraph 72). <br /><br />- Third, as the community judge has established: use of the mark may in some cases be sufficient to establish genuine use within the meaning of the Directive, even if that use is not quantitatively (territorially?) significant. Even (territorial?) minimal use can therefore be sufficient to qualify as genuine (see to that effect, order of the Court of Justice of 27 January 2004 in Case C-259/02 La Mer Technology, Inc. v Laboratoires Goemar SA (‘Laboratoire de la mer’) [2004] ECR I-1159, at paragraph 21; judgment of the Court of Justice of 11 March 2003 in Case C-40/01 Ansul BV v Ajax Brandbeveiliging BV (‘Minimax’) [2003] ECR I-2439, at paragraph 39; and judgment of the Court of Justice of 11 May 2006 in Case C-416/04 P The Sunrider Corporation v OHIM (‘Vitafruit’) [2006] ECR I-4237, at paragraph 72 in fine).<br /><br />- Fourth: as provided in Article 15(1)(b) of CTMR (207/2009), The following shall also constitute use within the meaning of the first subparagraph: […](b) affixing of the Community trade mark to goods or to the packaging thereof in the Community solely for export purposes. In that sense, and as the community judge has held, use of the mark by a single client which imports the products for which the mark is registered can be sufficient to demonstrate that such use is genuine, if it appears that the import operation has a genuine commercial justification for the proprietor of the mark (see to that effect, order of the Court of Justice of 27 January 2004 in Case C-259/02 La Mer Technology, Inc. v Laboratoires Goemar SA (‘Laboratoire de la mer’) [2004] ECR I-1159, at paragraphs 24 and 27 in fine).<br /><br />In the light of all the above considerations, it should be noted that in many cases the use of a CTM in one single Member State could be considered as “sufficient” or “genuine”.<br /><br />Dr. Camilo Sessano Goenaga.Camilo Sessano Goenaganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-29339449612296002322010-01-26T17:58:10.164+00:002010-01-26T17:58:10.164+00:00Taking this decision to a logical conclusion in vi...Taking this decision to a logical conclusion in view of the PAGO decision: An Austrian CTM owner could trade in Austria alone, yet build up a strong enough reputation in Austria to confer the extra "reputation" rights under Art 8(5) CTMR and Art 9(1)(c) CTMR which can be asserted in all 27 EU states, at least for the first 5 years of the CTM registration. Then, as soon as this 5 year period elapses these extra "reputation" rights cease, and can only be recovered in Austria alone by converting the CTM to a national Austrian registration. To go from having these extra "reputation" rights throughout the EU to having nothing at all seems a bit paradoxical and inconsistent. Surely the ECJ could not support something that absurd?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-5097406119525532332010-01-25T22:49:59.025+00:002010-01-25T22:49:59.025+00:00Waiting for a decision like this one was only a qu...Waiting for a decision like this one was only a question of time. One way or another there is some natural tension between a right with a scope that covers the internal market as a whole and the principle that use in only a part of the internal market - no matter how "small' that part be - will do to maintain the right for the entire internal market. The decision clearly shows that the concepts of territorialism, registration and use needs rethinking on short term to enforce some realism in trade mark law again and stay away from overriding formalism.Gino van Roeyennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-69789615634600015452010-01-22T23:19:40.489+00:002010-01-22T23:19:40.489+00:00'...explanatory notes such as the Joint Statem...'...explanatory notes such as the Joint Statements are not legally binding...'<br /><br />Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties:<br /><br />INTERPRETATION OF TREATIES:<br />Article 31<br />General rule of interpretation<br />1.A treaty shall be interpreted in good faith in accordance with the ordinary meaning to be given to the terms of the treaty in their context and in the light of its object and purpose.<br />2.The context for the purpose of the interpretation of a treaty shall comprise, in addition to the text, including its preamble and annexes:<br />(a) any agreement relating to the treaty which was made between all the parties in connection with the conclusion of the treaty;<br />(b) any instrument which was made by one or more parties in connection with the conclusion of the treaty and accepted by the other parties as an instrument related to the treaty.<br />3.There shall be taken into account, together with the context:<br /> (a) any subsequent agreement between the parties regarding the interpretation of the treaty or the application of its provisions;<br />(b) any subsequent practice in the application of the treaty which establishes the agreement of the parties regarding its interpretation;<br />(c) any relevant rules of international law applicable in the relations between the parties.<br />4.A special meaning shall be given to a term if it is established that the parties so intended.<br /><br />Article 32<br />Supplementary means of interpretation<br />Recourse may be had to supplementary means of interpretation, including the preparatory work of the treaty and the circumstances of its conclusion, in order to confirm the meaning resulting from the application of article 31, or to determine the meaning when the interpretation according to article 31:<br />(a) leaves the meaning ambiguous or obscure; or<br />(b) leads to a result which is manifestly absurd or unreasonable.<br /><br />Of course Regulation 207/2009 isn't a treaty, but same interpretative principle is applicable. If something has been repealed from the draft proposal, it's impossible to render a text in the abandoned way.the TradeMarkovs'noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-50631621515593651432010-01-22T17:28:50.882+00:002010-01-22T17:28:50.882+00:00I think the above poster may have misread (or misq...I think the above poster may have misread (or misquoted) La Mer. Just because one sale MAY constitute genuine use, doesn't mean it always will. It will depend on the market for the product, and whether the extent of sales is sufficient to create or maintain a market for the products.<br /><br />This was underlined recently in the UK in a decision of Anna Carboni acting as the Appointed Person(SANT AMBROEUS).<br /><br />There is an interesting discussion of course within this decision. If this had been a revocation action before OHIM the revocation probably would not have been ordered since OHIM graps rigidly to the Joint Statement. Time for a reference?Elvisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-71992596182387823922010-01-22T16:12:03.355+00:002010-01-22T16:12:03.355+00:00This case also seems inconsistent with the CHEVY c...This case also seems inconsistent with the CHEVY case, where for "dissimilar goods/high reputation" protection:<br /> <br />"In the Benelux territory, it is sufficient for the registered trade mark to be known by a significant part of the public concerned in a substantial part of that territory, which part may consist of <b>a part of one of the countries composing that territory</b>."<br /><br />Further, in PAGO v Tirolmilch (see IPKat note 6 Oct 2009), Austria was a substantial part of the Community for reputation purposes.<br /><br />It appears logical that the same test should be used for the geographical extent of use to gain an enhanced reputation and the geographical extent of use to establish that the mark has been put into genuine use.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-24374184615512343072010-01-22T15:28:13.583+00:002010-01-22T15:28:13.583+00:00Maybe BOIP wasn't aware of the ECJs holding in...Maybe BOIP wasn't aware of the ECJs holding in Ansul v Ajax and La Mer v Goemar. The court held that use does not need to be quantitatively significant in order to establish "genuine use" and that sales to a single agent in a single member state may be just fine (La Mer paras. 20-22).<br />That said, I think "member state" is simply not the right measurement here. For example, should use in Malta, Austria and Luxembourg be sufficient, but use in France alone not? Even though France has more inhabitants than those three countries together? In Ansul (para. 38) the ECJ gave a definition of genuine use which does not include the term "member state" but the famous "facts and circumstances" of the individual case. To me this seems like a more realistic approach.PHnoreply@blogger.com