tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post8883171502245911758..comments2024-03-19T10:15:37.338+00:00Comments on The IPKat: UPDATE: Why picking a London UPC court location is more difficult than you thinkVerónica RodrÃguez Arguijohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05763207846940036921noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-40521408164051305812015-01-10T10:46:17.771+00:002015-01-10T10:46:17.771+00:00Does anyone seriously see the UK government commit...Does anyone seriously see the UK government committing a high profile building to an EU institution at the moment? We might not even be in the EU in 2017, bu which time UPC might also not be operational. Wait till the election then we'll see what sort of venue might be sensible. But even then, it has to be central London. Anywhere else is a joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-2087807512450027872015-01-08T16:40:53.061+00:002015-01-08T16:40:53.061+00:00The obvious venue is the Rolls Building, which was...The obvious venue is the Rolls Building, which was specifically intended for international commercial disputes. It also happens to be within purring distance of the Old Nick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-41499079620396553192015-01-08T14:15:55.467+00:002015-01-08T14:15:55.467+00:00There are several recently-closed magistrates'...There are several recently-closed magistrates' courts that could be put to good use... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-46607547941522755982015-01-08T12:12:05.523+00:002015-01-08T12:12:05.523+00:00I have heard several people say that Aviation Hous...I have heard several people say that Aviation House could not house a court room because of the pillars. That seems to be the main argument against it (and the picture of Annesley's cat in a bag suggests it too). But the space on the plans between the pillars seems to be 12m by 20m, which is the same size as the court rooms in the Rolls Building where patent cases are presently heard. It's bigger than most rooms at the EPO. If you don't mind some pillars between the public gallery at the back and the main part of the courtroom you could have a court room that is more than 20m x 20m.Richard Varynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-8802391153111278802015-01-08T10:18:45.443+00:002015-01-08T10:18:45.443+00:00The QE2 would also address jurisdiction arguments....The QE2 would also address jurisdiction arguments. When the lawyer stands up and tells the judge she/he has no jurisdiction, the judge can simply point out of the window to prove that she/he now has.<br /><br />The EU could do the same to save money on those silly moves each year. With the size of these new container ships, they will probably only need a dozen or so to accommodate the EU hierarchy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-68045530548594437002015-01-08T10:14:49.186+00:002015-01-08T10:14:49.186+00:00Nor is Munich easy to get to. Just look at the fli...Nor is Munich easy to get to. Just look at the flight times from Stansted. Thankfully, German taxi drivers drive like nutters.<br /><br />CharlieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-38788483275115467392015-01-08T10:04:41.703+00:002015-01-08T10:04:41.703+00:00Perhaps the UK Govt could be persuaded to buy and ...Perhaps the UK Govt could be persuaded to buy and refit the Queen Elizabeth 2 (the ship, not the monarch) as a floating court complex? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2357950/QE2-seas-Ship-set-sail-Dubai-China-conversion-luxury-hotel.html<br /><br />It could be based mainly on the Thames, moving from Strand steps to Docklands as the parties require, and could move to Cardiff, Edinburgh or Belfast for cases in other parts of the UK. There would be plenty or room for conference facilities and accommodation for parties coming from afar. It could even travel up the Rhine or Seine if necessary!Markhttp://www.ipdraughts.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-24649863563666963302015-01-08T09:41:53.116+00:002015-01-08T09:41:53.116+00:00has anyone thought about current location of the E...has anyone thought about current location of the ECJ or the General Court??? Luxembourg Kirchberg is not an easy location, exzcept for german lawyers who can come by car.Luxembourg airport is a small one nevertheless it seems to work pretty well with more than 1600 cases handled just on IP.so for London take the closest to the airports.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-60955697546019052252015-01-08T08:59:33.411+00:002015-01-08T08:59:33.411+00:00Well City Airport is a bit of a niche airport. It...Well City Airport is a bit of a niche airport. It's not that easy to get to really. If you flew into any other airport I think you would find it a headache to get to - more so that getting into the centre of London.<br /><br />And I say this as an IP practitioner based OUTSIDE London.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-81537911138040819692015-01-07T22:29:33.678+00:002015-01-07T22:29:33.678+00:00Is a Rolls considered better for international tra...Is a Rolls considered better for international transport than an international airport?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-75343928504889528672015-01-07T19:12:43.095+00:002015-01-07T19:12:43.095+00:00I note that international transport is a key consi...I note that international transport is a key consideration. Placing it next to City Airport is probably not wise on that basis.<br /><br />Would it be possible to place the Court within a current court - eg the Rolls Building?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-50541727288019284582015-01-07T18:08:56.548+00:002015-01-07T18:08:56.548+00:00Back in the 70's I used to court in Lordship L...Back in the 70's I used to court in Lordship Lane in my Ford Anglia.Ford returned to Lordship Lane to run The Patents Court in the 90's.<br />Lordship Lane,the people's choice,steeped in IP folklore and full of memories for my Ford Anglia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-59530139492856482942015-01-07T17:19:17.396+00:002015-01-07T17:19:17.396+00:00The current location of London law firms, patent a...The current location of London law firms, patent attorneys and barristers should not be the primary concern of where the court should be located. The court users (i.e. the clients of such law firms, patent attorneys and barristers) are the ones who will ultimately end up paying for the costs of the court, so it is their interests which should be considered above those of local practitioners. <br /><br />It may be that such clients may actually want to use non-UK-based patent attorneys or lawyers to represent them at the court. If this is the case, then international transport links, not necessarily transport links to the centre of London, will be more important. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-8801291786767718112015-01-07T16:32:18.620+00:002015-01-07T16:32:18.620+00:00"The further away from the centre of London t..."The further away from the centre of London the Court is located, the more this local advantage becomes eroded."<br /><br />Heaven forfend. How would these central London firms cope without their local advantage? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-25899848168208455602015-01-07T16:27:32.038+00:002015-01-07T16:27:32.038+00:00Although I certainly support the central location,...Although I certainly support the central location, I think the factor of "transporting legal bundles" will not be decisive. The UPC will use an online system. Bundles will no longer be needed, not even in London. If all goes like it should, logistics should be limited to carrying an iPad or a laptop.<br /><br />Wouter Pors<br />Bird & BirdWouter Porshttp://www.twobirds.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-88511496923264038622015-01-07T16:24:42.226+00:002015-01-07T16:24:42.226+00:00Why does the court need a home and a single physic...Why does the court need a home and a single physical presence? Why not make the court virtual, sharing resources with the existing IP court infrastructure already in the UK?<br /><br />Indeed, some London-based courts already can/do sit outside London where helpful, and the Regions and Nations also have court infrastructure that could be used. Such a parallel running could at least be considered until we know what the caseload will be, especially since the majority of litigation will likely remain with national courts until the new system is validated and trusted. As and when the new courts start to steal cases from the existing national courts, resources such as courtrooms can be scaled up as needed. There's no sense wasting money on new infrastructure when the user requirement is not clear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-47716673367594460202015-01-07T15:51:09.411+00:002015-01-07T15:51:09.411+00:00Will there be a necessity for transporting massive...Will there be a necessity for transporting massive legal bundles though? Let the train take the strain and site the court in Docklands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com