tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post8903139013151825004..comments2024-03-29T09:21:58.696+00:00Comments on The IPKat: KAT UPDATE: Home Secretary approves TVShack creator's extraditionVerónica Rodríguez Arguijohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05763207846940036921noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-42899428899311330582012-03-16T11:23:06.991+00:002012-03-16T11:23:06.991+00:00This morning I travelled at 70mph down a UK motorw...This morning I travelled at 70mph down a UK motorway on my way to work. I believe this may be breaking the speed limit in many US states. Am I at risk of being extradited for breaking US laws?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-45343894158185480112012-03-15T10:18:38.053+00:002012-03-15T10:18:38.053+00:00One could just about see an argument in favour of ...One could just about see an argument in favour of extradition for crimes that threaten the safety or security of the people of another country, but for copyright issues? Surely this is not right? If no offence has been committed in the UK by someone resident here who has never visited the USA, I cannot see the justification for hauling them off in chains to the USA, to be treated like a dangerous criminal. Of course, the same is true for someone in the USA who might be extradited to the UK.<br /><br />This Treaty is ill thought out.Keith Lovennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-50882750485597972212012-03-15T08:27:12.896+00:002012-03-15T08:27:12.896+00:00This is the first time I hear of a souvereign nati...This is the first time I hear of a souvereign nation extradites its own citicens (or subjects, if you prefer) to another nation.<br /><br />I remember a case perhaps 10 years ago where another European fled to the UK from his country and where UK authorities made extraditions complicated and even wanted to dictate how the prosecution should be handled in his own country.<br /><br />Bizarre.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-38876079830045976432012-03-15T00:33:54.093+00:002012-03-15T00:33:54.093+00:00This is shameful on the part of the UK legal and p...This is shameful on the part of the UK legal and political system to date.<br /><br />This at most a civil matter and there may not even be any civil liability. Linking is not infringing,<br /><br />It's absurd to be treat this as criminal. And to hand a young man over to the US "justice" system?<br /><br />Hopefully the Supreme Court will make a strong statement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-56213147120395210482012-03-14T20:02:41.216+00:002012-03-14T20:02:41.216+00:00Yes, their argument does appear to allow for many ...Yes, their argument does appear to allow for many many more people to be extradited under similar treaties from, say, Vatican City than China without them viewing the numbers as disproportionate. Which is odd.Corduroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-31934679943162741122012-03-14T15:41:19.964+00:002012-03-14T15:41:19.964+00:00Surely there is a lack of logic in the US Embassy ...Surely there is a lack of logic in the US Embassy Fact Sheet. If the US is 5 times the size of the UK, one would expect the number of US citizens inadvertently breaking UK laws to be 5 times the number of UK citizens inadvertently breaking US laws. So then, on a statistical basis, one would expect the number of requests for extradition to the UK to be 5 times the number of requests for extradition to the US. <br /><br />The fact that the number of extraditions to the US is "fewer than twice" (say 1.5 times?) the number of extraditions to the UK, when one would expect it to be 0.2 times, does suggest the number of US requests is indeed disproportionate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-30650743857698872982012-03-14T13:43:20.137+00:002012-03-14T13:43:20.137+00:00'Anonymous': Perhaps he created it believi...'Anonymous': Perhaps he created it believing as do many lawyers, and the only UK juries to hear such a case, that there was no crime involved? And that being a Brit never having been to or operated in the US there was no proper basis for US charges?<br /><br />Or perhaps he knew the UK government was spinelessly sycophantic to the US and he didnt care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-90449203735233856942012-03-14T13:26:58.670+00:002012-03-14T13:26:58.670+00:00The Embassy of the United States (yes, yes they ma...The Embassy of the United States (yes, yes they may have a view to push on this) has a Fact Sheet on what it calls, using a strangely inconsistent style sheet, the "U.S. - UK Extradition Treaty":<br /><br />http://london.usembassy.gov/gb140.html<br /><br />This sates: “The treaty is a “dual criminality” treaty. No one can be extradited by either country unless the offense for which extradition is requested is a crime in both countries and carries a prison sentence of at least one year." and<br /><br />"The United States has not denied a single extradition request from the UK under the treaty. While the U.S. does send more extradition requests to the UK than it receives, this difference is largely due to the differences in the size of the respective populations. The panel report notes that the U.S. has a population about five times the size of the UK, but there have been fewer than twice the number of people extradited to the U.S. than to the UK. The number of U.S. requests is not disproportionate."<br /><br />However, it fails to address the goody-bag issue.Corduroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5574479.post-8543261425335743262012-03-14T13:15:57.742+00:002012-03-14T13:15:57.742+00:00The fact that a crime can be committed "unwit...The fact that a crime can be committed "unwittingly" is neither hear nor there.<br /><br />The accused profited by almost £150,000 from illegal activity. Was that unwitting? <br /><br />Perhaps he created the site in his sleep, and can plead diminished responsibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com