Adding matter by amending the description to exclude embodiments (Ensygnia v Shell [2023] EWHC 1495 (Pat))

The recent High Court decision in Ensygnia v Shell ([2023] EWHC 1495 (Pat)) is highly relevant to the ongoing controversy of claim interpretation and description amendments (IPKat). In Ensygnia v ShellMiss Charlotte May KC (sitting as Deputy Judge in the High Court of England and Wales) considered how a post-grant amendment which added the phrase that certain embodiments "fell outside the scope of the claims", might affect claim interpretation. The Deputy Judge found that this statement changed the natural reading of the claim language in added matter and infringement analysis. The decision in Ensygnia v Shell is a fresh warning, if one was needed, of the substantial risks of description amendments. 

Case Background - Ensygnia v Shell

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Ensygnia sued Shell for infringement of their UK patent (GB 2489332 C2). Shell counterclaimed that the patent was invalid. The patent related to a method for identifying whether a user was authorised to access a service. Claim 1 specified a method comprising a user using their phone to scan "a graphical encoded objection" (e.g. a QR code) "displayed on a display of a computing apparatus". The alleged infringement was Shell's petrol station app which allowed registered customers to purchase petrol using their phone and a QR code displayed on a card at the pump. 

The Patentee had amended the description and claims of the patent post-grant (Section 27, UKPA). Particularly, the Patentee amended the claims to specify that the "display" of the computing apparatus displaying the e.g. QR code was a "sign". The Patentee also amended the description to state that some of the embodiments and figures were "outside the scope of the claims", ostensibly to bring the description in line with the amended claims (see amended page 22 of the description). 

Legal Background: Principles of claim interpretation

Article 69 EPC provides that the extent of protection of a European patent "shall be determined by the claims. Nevertheless, the description and drawings shall be used to interpret the claims". The UK courts have interpreted Article 69 EPC as permitting a construction of the claims that takes account of the inventor's purpose as indicated in the description and drawings of the patent. However, purposive construction does not allow an obviously deliberate limitation in the claims to be ignored. Accordingly, as recently summarised by Lord Justice Arnold, the three key considerations for claim interpretation in the UK are 1) the wording of the claim, 2) the context provided by the specification and 3) the inventor’s purpose (InterDigital v Lenovo [2023] EWCA Civ 105). 

The UK approach to claim interpretation under Article 69 EPC contrasts with the EPO's approach. Recent Boards of Appeal have emphasised that the description and figures of a patent should only be referred to when the natural meaning of the claim language is unclear (IPKat) (see also the "catastrophic comma loss cases", IPKat).

Construing the claims in view of the description

The Deputy Judge applied the principles of construction to the word "sign" as used in the claims. Ensygnia argued that the "sign" specified by claim 1 related to a non-electronic static sign, and therefore included in its scope the paper QR codes used by Shell. Shell argued that their petrol pump app did not infringe the claim because the "sign" specified in the claim should be understood as being limited to an electronic display on a computer screen. 

The Deputy Judge looked to the description and the inventor's purpose to understand how the term "sign" should be understood. Under a natural reading, the Deputy Judge agreed that the sign on a display forming part of a "computing apparatus" would generally be understood to be an electronic one (para. 152). However, the description of the patent had been amended by the Patentee post-grant to specify that a particular embodiment having an electronic display was "outside the scope of the claims". In view of this passage, the Deputy Judge agreed with Patentee's interpretation that the "sign" specified in the claim did not have to be an electronic display. Applying the principles of claim interpretation, the Deputy Judge concluded that "since the patentee has deliberately limited the claim to a display on a sign, this limitation cannot be disregarded even though it conflicts with some of the teaching of the Patent and does not provide all the advantages of the invention that an electronic display would bring" (para. 154). 

Added matter & extended protection

Unsurprisingly, Shell argued that the post-grant description and claim amendments added matter and extended the scope of protection of the patent. In the interests of legal certainty, post-grant amendments must not increase the scope of protection of a granted patent. 

For the Deputy Judge, the added statement that the embodiments comprising an electronic display were "outside the scope of the claims", was critical to the interpretation of "sign" in the claims as including non-electronic signs: "Without hindsight, I do not think it would even occur to the skilled reader reading this passage in the context of the application as a whole that the invention could be implemented using a sign that is not electronic or which cannot be changed." (para. 177). The Deputy Judge thus agreed with the Defendant that the statement "outside the scope of the claims" added matter to the application as filed and also extended the scope of protection beyond the patent as granted. The Deputy concluded that the patent should thus be revoked for added matter and extended protection. 

The Patentee in this case therefore found themselves stuck in an added matter/claim construction squeeze; the claim construction required to cover the alleged infringement (introduced by the Patentee post-grant) was also the claim construction that added matter. 

Final thoughts

In this case, the description amendment was critical for claim interpretation. The Patentee had changed the meaning of the claims by the back-door of description amendments. Such an approach is unlikely to be successful in view of the added matter/claim construction squeeze. None-the-less, the Ensygnia v Shell is a timely reminder of the potential danger of description amendments dictated by the patent office. 

The EPO Guidelines for Examination currently state that "[a]ny inconsistency between the description and the claims must be avoided if it could throw doubt on the subject-matter for which protection is sought and therefore render the claim unclear". Specifically, according to the Guidelines "[t]he applicant must remove any inconsistencies by amending the description either by deleting the inconsistent embodiments or marking appropriately so that it is clear that they do not fall within the subject-matter for which protection is sought" (F-IV-4.3). 

There has been long-standing concern that the description amendments currently required by the EPO based on these Guidelines could affect the interpretation of the claims in doctrine of equivalent analysis. Ensygnia v Shell highlights that including statements that exclude certain embodiments from the scope of the invention may even affect claim interpretation in purposive construction. A difference between interpretation of the claims pre-grant and post-grant may then invalidate the patent for added matter. This danger is further compounded by the different approach taken by the EPO Boards of Appeal and the UK courts to claim interpretation under Article 69 EPC

We are now awaiting to see if a Board of Appeal will refer the issue of description amendments and claim interpretation to the Enlarged Board of Appeal (EBA) (IPKat). In the meantime, wise applicants will take care with their description amendments. 

Further reading

Claim interpretation

Description amendments

Adding matter by amending the description to exclude embodiments (Ensygnia v Shell [2023] EWHC 1495 (Pat)) Adding matter by amending the description to exclude embodiments (Ensygnia v Shell [2023] EWHC 1495 (Pat)) Reviewed by Rose Hughes on Tuesday, August 08, 2023 Rating: 5

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  1. This case report puts me in mind of The Law of Unintended Consequences.

    I understand that the EPO crusade to "conform" the description strictly to the allowable claims was prompted by its unhappiness with the UK Supreme Court's decision (on what amounts to an infringing "equivalent") in the pemetrexed litigation. Somehow the thinking inside the EPO developed into a view that insisting on strict "conformity" would pump up legal certainty, and streamline and shorten court proceedings, in the rare event of a recalcitrant party nevertheless insisting on bringing their patent dispute before a judge.

    In the real world, however, the very FIRST thing an accused infringer has always looked at, in a patent granted under the EPC, is whether the Applicant made any amendment at all after the filing date. Why, because there lies a uniquely attractive "pressure point" that can be used like no other, to squeeze a submission out of the patent owner. With its present obsession on strict "conformity" the EPO is multiplying the number of such pressure points and thereby multiplying the complexity and cost of patent disputes, and increasing rather than reducing levels of uncertainty as to the outcome.

    Of course one should always construe the claim in the light of the description. That much is a no-brainer, and done all over the world. But other jurisdictions don't insist like the EPO on strict conformity. Instead they take it in their stride, that the description is what Applicant described as their invention on the filing date of the application. That is the "context" relative to which one construes the words chosen by the Applicant to define their invention, the subject of their patent application. The judges want and need to factor that thought in to their analysis of what the duly issued claim shall be deemed to include within its scope of protection. The pemetrexed case might indeed be a good example of claim construction as intended under the EPC. Time will tell.

    But anyway, it seems to me that the pemetrexed case fails as justification for the argument that less than perfect "conformity" is the cause of in wrong decisions in court.

    It is said that the EPO finds attractive its insistence on strict "conformity" because it is a way to increase EPO profits. I find that puzzling. I should have thought that profit-hungry EPO management might rather prefer dumping the insistence on strict "conformity" and then telling its Examiners that, with this shift, Examiners ought to be able to double the number of case disposals they deliver each year. What do other readers think?

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    1. I believe permetrexed as the EPO's justification for a change in its practice is an invention made in the comment section of this blog. Or did the permetrexed decision complain that the EPO was not strict enough?

      Anyway, in this particular case there was no involvement of the EPO at all.

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  2. Another thought: the cure (by which I mean, strict conformity) is proving to be much worse than the disease (by which I mean judges, in the opinion of persons of influence inside the EPO, going astray on claim construction).

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  3. As has been pointed out elsewhere, this case is nothing to do with the EPO.

    The titile in this article could be more aptly named Proprietor by own free will attempts to contort claim 1 via description amendments after grant to cover infringement asserted.

    The proprietor amended claim 1 as granted to include in in its scope a static sign (such as a poster). The description is not helpful to this interpretation so is changed to say an electronic display with sign is outside the scope of the claims.

    The proprietor was successful in forcing their interpretation but got burned since application as filed and patent as granted did not support such an interpretation.

    Isn’t this the type of gamesmanship we should all want to avoid? If I read the B spec and decide I am safe, I am not going to be happy going to court to defend against a C spec of the type above, even if the claimant loses.

    Those against the EPO’s approach (as well meaning as it may or may not be, and legal basis aside) can no longer point to the authority of the claims and dismiss the possibility that a proprietor won’t seriously argue a claimed feature can be wished away in view of the description.

    Is there a middle ground where proprietors have the courtesy of telling the public what the rough scope of their invention may be?

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    1. Well, I can certainly agree with you that amendments to the description can, under one interpretation of Article 69 EPC, have the effect of altering the meaning afforded to the (unchanged) wording of the claims.

      The interpretation of Article 69 EPC to which I refer is that which relies upon the amended description to interpret the claims. On an earlier post, I have commented at length about the problems associated with that interpretation. In essence, the main problem is that always relying upon the amended description means that interpretation of the claims becomes a constantly moving target. As happened with Ensygnia's patent, it can also lead to a meaning being ascribed to the claims that cannot in any way be derived from the disclosures of the application as filed. Moreover, this can happen by way of amendments that, on the face of it, appear to be relatively innocuous.

      Perhaps the middle ground that you are looking for can be located via an alternative interpretation of Article 69 EPC, namely one that always interprets the claims by reference to the description of the application as originally filed?

      Under that interpretation, the problematic practical effects stemming from the EPO's description amendment practice suddenly fade away. Further, that interpretation would make it pointless for patentees to even attempt distorting the meaning of the claim language by making "creative" amendments to the description. This is because the claim language would always be afforded the meaning that was originally intended by the patentee, as determined by reference to the description that they originally filed. This would have the side benefit of bringing the assessment of Article 69(1) EPC into line with the approach to assessing the other provisions of the EPC that concern (or that rely upon) the interpretation of the claims, such as novelty, priority, inventive step, added matter and post-grant expansion of claim scope.

      What's not to like?

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    2. Crikey, Pudding. Can the solution really be as deadly simple as that? And intellectually rigorous and satisfying to boot. It seems altogether too good to be true. My compliments, on making it all look so easy.

      I personally can't see anything at all "not to like" but I'm pretty d*mn sure that those who have invested so much capital in the present EPO line will find much in your proposal intensely "not to like". Interesting will be to see the level of intellectual rigour in the counter-arguments they deploy.

      What was it somebody once said about humans, that the hardest thing of all is getting them to admit to a change their mind? The quote would complement that of the scientist (A. Einstein, perhaps) who asserted that i) no new scientific theory will ever convince the present day advocates of the existing approach to relinquish it and ii) the new theory can gain currency only when a new generation of scientists rises to the positions of influence.

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    3. This is a potential solution. I could get on board with it.

      How do we think this solution would deal with applications, particularly those that originate from the US, where all features are denoted as optional in the description?

      I’d hope for a pragmatic view where patentee couldn’t have possibly meant every aspect of the invention is optional, so nothing is optional. I appreciate it is a stretch to argue that a claimed feature is defecto optional but that’s exactly what happened in this case.

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    4. Max, my experience teaches me that few (if any) of us approach a controversial topic with a truly open mind.

      Ample reserves of internal self-belief are required to remain open to the possibility that we may be wrong and others, whom we may dislike (or at least disagree with) intently may actually have a good point. Remaining open-minded also requires a deeply contemplative approach, where assumptions, interpretations and conclusions are constantly tested for logical consistency, and for how they stand up against objective facts and counter-arguments advanced by others.

      Which of us can truly claim to meet these standards? When was the last time that you can recall climbing down from a position that you previously defended staunchly? Or that the power of arguments from "the other side" persuaded you to change allegiances?

      Still, even if it is unrealistic to expect perfection in this regard, it would cheer me up immensely if those debating controversial topics took the approach of directly (and logically) addressing the arguments made by "the other side". This would represent a refreshing change to common, but counter-productive, tactics such as whataboutery and "tackle the man not the ball" ... or of simply ignoring, dismissing or minimising a point to which one has no good answer.

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    5. "How do we think this solution would deal with applications, particularly those that originate from the US, where all features are denoted as optional in the description?"

      Well, we would rely upon the wording of the claims, and in particular the limitations specified therein. Where there is doubt, or a lack of clarity, regarding the meaning of that wording we might turn not only to the description but also (at least to some extent) to prosecution history.

      Not every claim limitation means precisely what it might seem at first sight. However, it should be easy enough to apply general principles of interpretation to any set of claims, even those associated with the most extreme examples of the "everything optional" description drafting style. For example, one could adopt the rebuttable presumption that the same word / language means the same thing, and that different wording means something different.

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    6. Here my replies to both Pudding and Anonymous.

      Pudding, you ask, have I ever changed my mind and readily admitted it? Two changes stick in my memory. First, long ago, I used to aver that Binding Precedent is needed, for legal certainty and the fair administration of justice. But in the special case of the law of patentability/validity of patents I have come round to the view that the I have come round to the view that evolution of patent law at the EPO, the survival of the fittest line of law from amongst the different views of the EPO's different TBA's, delivers better results. Until recently, that is.

      Second, I used to think that expert witness evidence was the best way to conduct the obviousness enquiry. No longer. I prefer EPO-PSA because as a TSM approach it better excludes the corrupting effect of hindsight knowledge.

      Anon, you ask how to cope with US-originating specifications, in which nothing is declared as essential and everything is stated to be optional. That doesn't phase me. I would look to the duly granted claims to see which features are made essential (those in the independent claim) and which are announced as optional (those in one or other dependent claim). For better or worse, we in Europe are now stuck with a Doctrine of Equivalents. We can look to the USA to see how to cope with that. They have aeons of experience in deciding for which features of claim 1 it is permissible to stretch in meaning to embrace an accused embodiment and for which ones it is not. But even as we do, let us follow Robin Jacob's advice from long ago. Learn from the Americans, sure. But make sure as we do, that we learn also from their mistakes.


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    7. Max, thanks for taking the time to consider and respond (constructively) to my comment. It is appreciated.

      I have recently been reminded of another, common "debating" tactic that is completely counter-productive: wilful blindness / feigned ignorance. Someone who never takes the time to even try to understand the arguments of "the other side" will inevitably end up recycling the same old arguments that didn't work the first time and that will never move the needle. It reminds me of that famous quote about repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.

      Counter-productive "debating" tactics pose dilemmas for those of us who are truly seeking to investigate the strengths and weaknesses of various different interpretations of the law. For example, when does one cease engaging with a commentator who is not entering into the debate with good faith? When does one stop "feeding the troll"?

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    8. When to "feed the troll"? Here my answer.

      In my comments to patent law blogs, when I reply to the comment of another, I try always to remember who is my wider readership. I try to write for their benefit.

      I have learned from other blogs that it is an illusion to suppose that you will change the opinion of the one reader you are replying to, so I no longer even try. But nevertheless, I will often reply to an obdurate commenter. Why that then?

      It is whenever I think that my reply might help disinterested other readers of the blog to reach an opinion more in line with my opinion than that of my interlocutor. It's all a bit like question time at the end of presenting a Paper to a conference. The question from the floor might be a tedious one but nevertheless one expects the speaker to thank the questioner sincerely for the opportunity to say some more, and will then use the opportunity to use fresh wording to make exactly the point in the Paper. Repeating the point using different words might just do the trick, and get the point across to members of the audience who didn't quite grasp it from the Paper itself. So, if the Troll gives you such an opportunity, thank him (or her). Otherwise, just choose to make no reply. It's not rude. Rather it's the luxury given by the use of pseudonyms.

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    9. @Pudding, I believe the term you're thinking of is "sealioning" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning), where one party takes a persona of polite enquiry by constantly asking further questions and "what if"s. This isn't to seek agreement or knowledge, but to exasperate. Eventually, the receiving party has had enough of being hounded with questions and becomes rude, at which point the sealion "wins".

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  4. Article 69 EPC had no role in this case about a national patent. Only UK law was applicable.

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    1. I disagree.

      The following is a quote from Actavis and others v Eli Lilly ([2017] UKSC 48), which is a leading case on the laws of the UK as they apply to patent infringement (and determination of the scope of protection conferred by the claims):

      28. The domestic provision governing direct patent infringement is section 60(1) of the Patents Act 1977. However, section 130(7) declares that certain provisions of that Act, including section 60, are “so framed as to have, as nearly as practicable, the same effects in the United Kingdom as the corresponding provisions of the European Patent Convention … have in the territories to which [that Convention applies]”. Accordingly, it is common ground that it is appropriate to consider the present case by reference to the EPC 2000.

      29. Article 69(1) EPC 2000 provides that “[t]he extent of the protection conferred by a European patent … shall be determined by the claims”, although it is followed by another sentence, namely “[n]evertheless, the description and drawings shall be used to interpret the claims”
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      You may therefore wish to reconsider your position.

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    2. Reasons 114 of the cited decision expressly refers to Art. 69 EPC.

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    3. I will admit the analogous application under section 130(7) to national UK patents.

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  5. In my view it is the patent attorney’s job, duty and responsibility to defend our client’s interests by writing clear claims with a corresponding description, and to align the description as necessary with the claims.

    It’s not the job, and it has never been the job of EPO officials or national Judges to write or amend claims and descriptions. They take no responsibility for this. All they can do is to take decisions to grant or to refuse, based on the claims and descriptions we provide.

    In the case under review, the patentee had an unnecessary claim limitation. They tried but failed to avoid the legal consequence that their claim did not cover the alleged infringement, by forcing a claim amendment through a botched amendment of the description. They could alternatively have argued for a claim interpretation to cover the alleged infringement as a technical equivalent. But that approach probably would have failed too, depending on the way the claim limitation came to be limited.

    The point is : aligning the description with the claims, as per the recommended EPO procedure is in conformity with the provisions of the EPC. In my estimation, in 9 cases out of 10, genuine alignment of the description will reinforce the patentee’s protection by reducing the risk of later objections. But no applicant/patentee is obliged to align the description. If, to defend its perceived interest, a patentee chooses to maintain an unaligned description or tries to promote an unjustified claim interpretation, that is the patentees’ choice. They will bear the legal consequence.

    Some patentees wait for years as the Case Law unfolds, anticipating some advice on how to do their job. But Case Law decisions come several years too late for a patentee who was the victim of a Case Law decision. Moreover, Case Law followers may find that the principle they followed may have changed by the time their case comes up for decision. In summary, the Case Law we made has been promoted by the EPO to simplify and uniformize decisions. It is useful to our profession, but of limited use, as a way of belatedly learning from other patentees’ mistakes.

    In my opinion, we, as a profession, are mainly responsible for the success of the EPO because of the quality input we provided for the EPO to take their decisions. But on the downside, waiting for Boards of Appeal to tell us how we should do our job, or how we should have done our job, is probably one of the major causes how and why the profession has been guilty of creating such a hotchpotch of Case Law despite the EPO’s aim for coherency.

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  6. There you have it, anyone dealing with the legal aspects of patent infringement in any European jurisdiction could have seen this coming from miles away. Even the SACEPO on the guidelines warned the EPO for the strict rules on amending the description - but the EPO would not listen. Because they do not deal with any legal aspects of patent infringement. They are just stuck in their own bubble.

    It is about time the Enlarged Board puts some common sense in this matter, with legal members from national courts (who are available).

    Unfortunately, rumour has it that the Technical Boards of Appeal are too afraid to refer, as this would anger some high placed folks with the Office. And that may jeopardise the proposal for a next five year term at the Board. And the President only cares about throughput times and the next inventor of year award.

    Sic transit gloria mundi.

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    1. "rumour has it that the Technical Boards of Appeal are too afraid to refer, as this would anger some high placed folks with the Office".

      If there is any basis whatsoever to that rumour, then we can definitively conclude that the Boards are not an independent court or tribunal in the sense required by Art 6 ECHR. For me, this would not exactly be a shocking revelation. Still, it is difficult to watch the practical consequences of the Boards' lack of independence revealing themselves in such a public manner.

      Question: what does the EPO gain (or whom within the EPO gains) from the current description adaptation practice? Are we dealing with intransigence / hubris, or instead with something more like brown envelopes?

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    2. The Boards are not independent. In the end, their candidacy and extension of their position is to be proposed by the president of the Office. You take odd decisions, not in line with the holy book of guidelines, you will not be up for another term. Better is to leave this to the Boards and/or the AC, ruling out the president.

      And what does the EPO gain by this practice? Simple, not losing face. Amending the guidelines is something that has been pushed stronger and stronger, in view of the self assumed responsibility vis à vis the public to make patents and their scopes as clearly as possible to the public. A matter of self importance.

      And I cannot imagine this has to do with brown envelopes, if only because I cannot foresee any patentee to have an interest in such practice. And the patent have-nots are generally not the people to hand out brown envelopes.

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  7. My position on the adaptation of the description is well known and does not have to be repeated.
    In the decision, Point 1 it is stated that the subject of the debate is European Patent (UK) EP 2 489 332 C2. EP 2 489 332 relates to an “Acetabular cup with rotatable bearing” and has no relation whatsoever with GB 2489332 C2 which relates to “Handling encoded information and identifying user”.
    In the decision, Point 4 one reads: “The Patent [GB 2489332 C2 and not EP 2489332] was amended post-grant under s.27 of the Patents Act 1977, and so it is the C specification that is relevant. There were amendments to both the description and the claims”.
    The problem is thus a British problem and has nothing to do with European practice. It is no more than an academic exercise to attempt applying this British decision to European practice.
    I have thus to agree with Anonymous of Tuesday, 8 August 2023 at 10:49:00 GMT+1 or with Brian Cronin.
    I said it before, but the whole upheaval about the adaptation of the description, reminds of the early days of the EPO and the upheaval about reference signs in the claims, which were considered limiting by a British court. T 237/84 put an end on the discussion.
    Art 69 applies to the application or to the patent. Once the patent is granted, it does not appear prima facie logical wanting to apply Art 69 to the application having led to the grant. Once the description has been amended in order to support the claim, it is difficult to follow that interpretation of the claims becomes then a constantly moving target.
    In T 1203/13, it was held that the mere fact that each passage of the description is preceded by a "may" is not sufficient to disclose a combination or generalisation of features. The conclusion is that if everything is optional, nothing is optional. All features ending in the independent claim cannot any longer be considered optional and the description of the patent as to be adapted correspondingly. Where is the problem?
    I noted the statement “Where there is doubt, or a lack of clarity, regarding the meaning of that wording we might turn not only to the description but also (at least to some extent) to prosecution history”.
    The logical conclusion of this statement is that the description can be left unamended, but then prosecution history has to come into place of the requirement of adaptation of the description under Art 84. But it would still not allow to attempt an interpretation of the claim on the basis of the description as filed. Otherwise taking into account prosecution history would be meaningless.
    I would further observe that Actavis and others v Eli Lilly ([2017] UKSC 48, is the famous pemetrexed case. Taking this case as an example is not correct. The pemetrexed case was no more than an attempt to get read of the “Improver” decision.
    Max Drei is probably right when he considers that the pemetrexed case triggered the tightening of the requirement of the adaptation of the description. If in the pemetrexed case, the description would have been properly adapted, it is not sure that the conclusions of the UKSC would have been the same. The pemetrexed case should actually be left alone.
    Rather than a referral on the adaptation of the description, a referral about the application of Art 69 in EPO’s procedure seem much more useful.
    Any referral bears some danger. The answer to the questions by the EBA depends not only from the form of the questions, but also the way those questions are rewritten and/or interpreted by the EBA. G 1/21 is a good example. The referral made no distinction between OP before the first instance and before the BA, and yet, the EBA limited its reply to OP before the BA. One wonders why? It remains that neither Art 116 and R 115 or 116 make any distinction between first instance and BA.

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    1. Mr Thomas, thank you for informing us that "The problem is thus a British problem and has nothing to do with European practice". For the benefit of us Britishers, would you care to explain why you think that interpretation of the scope of protection afforded to a GB patent does not involve application of the principles set out in Art 69 EPC?

      It is interesting to note that, as is typical of your style, your comments appear to be long on opinion and short on legal / logical reasoning.

      For example, you opine that "it does not appear prima facie logical wanting to apply Art 69 to the application having led to the grant". However, you do not provide any explanation for this.

      You also, without explanation, opine that "it is difficult to follow that interpretation of the claims becomes then a constantly moving target".

      To make any kind of positive contribution to the debate, you really need to show your working / reasoning and engage directly with points made by "the other side". Hiding behind a feigned lack of understanding will simply not do. If you really are struggling to follow an argument, why not ask for further explanations? If you had asked, I could have pointed you to the questions that I posed on an earlier thread:
      https://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/07/the-risk-of-pre-grant-description.html

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    2. This whole case is not a problem of any patent system.

      Ensygnia made a post-grant amendment in an attempt to improve its position beyond what it was entitled to. They got rightfully burned.

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    3. "Art 69 applies to the application or to the patent. Once the patent is granted, it does not appear prima facie logical wanting to apply Art 69 to the application having led to the grant. Once the description has been amended in order to support the claim, it is difficult to follow that interpretation of the claims becomes then a constantly moving target."

      Once the description has been amended in order to support the claim....

      Once the description has been amended in order to support the claim....

      Once the description has been amended in order to support the claim....

      Look, Art. 84 is not a long provision. Go back and read it.

      It's a requirement....of the *claims*. "The claims shall...".

      Any claim you can write is either supported by the description as filed, or lacks support in the description as filed. You CANNOT "generate" support for a claim that was NOT supported by the description as originally filed by amending the description, without adding subject-matter that was not there originally.

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    4. Proof of the pudding,

      I have never said that a British judge, should he wish to do so, could not apply in interpretation of the scope of protection afforded to a GB patent, the principles set out in Art 69 EPC. What I cannot agree with, is that the interpretation of a British judge, when dealing with a GB patent, necessarily applies to European practice.

      I regret that you did not understand my comment about the application of Art 69 to the description of the patent, but on the basis of the description as filed. I maintain that it is plain logic. After examination, once the patent is granted, the patent is in the state it should have been upon filing. What good is it then to go back to the application as filed? In general there is a different prior art and the claims have been limited. It is thus neither correct nor logical wanting then to interpret the claims as granted on the basis of the description as filed.

      As far as the difficulty in following “that interpretation of the claims becomes then a constantly moving target", I am really at a loss to understand. How can it become a moving target once the claims have been limited, unless you want to interpret the claims in various ways, in a way suitable for your purpose?

      Contrary to what you claim, I have engaged with numerous points made by "the other side". I am not hiding behind anything, and I do not need any lesson from you how I should argue or reason. I do not like this kind of attitude, but I will refrain to say any more.

      As far as the link you have given is concerned, it does not work. When trying to open the page, the error message 404 appears. I do compare this mishap in the link with the mishap in point 1 of the reasons when there is mention of EP 2 489 332 C2. Rather than GB 2 489 332 C2. No wonder that when reading EP 332’ some people immediately think of adaptation of the description in European practice. As said the problem arose in a British patent not in the national part of a European patent.

      The amendments introducing added matter were made post grant and not before grant. Ensygnia v Shell [2023] EWHC 1495 (Pat) is the wrong case for trying to question Art 84, support of the description, i.e. adaptation of the description before grant.

      I still have not seen any national part of European patent being revoked by a national court in view of the adaptation of the description as required by the EPC under Art 84, whereby I am aiming at support by the description and not at clarity.

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    5. Proof of the pudding,

      The link seems to have been amended, and I have been able to look at your comments about T 450/20. In those comments you say that it is “unclear from the wording of Art 69(1) which description and drawings should be used to interpret which claims”. This is one possible interpretation, but not the only one possible.

      I interpret this sentence as relating to the description as filed before grant and relating to the description as adapted to the claims as granted in the patent.

      As in general claims at filing are much broader than claims after grant, the scope of protection afforded to an application is necessarily broader than that afforded once the claims have been finalised and limited.

      The terminology in the description and in the claims should be identical all along the procedure if problems of Art 123(2) are to be avoided. It follows that features of the claims cannot have a different interpretation before and after grant. At a pinch, one could even say, nothing is unclear, as the terminology remains.

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    6. There is no doubt that Art. 69(1) refers to the description that corresponds to the claims that are being interpreted. So for the claims as filed it will be the description as filed (Art. 67), for the claims as granted it will be the description as granted (Art. 64). There is no sensible room for debate here.

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    7. Daniel, sorry, but as to your last paragraph I am not at all sure it is true to say that "it follows". Terminology is not the only issue. If the description is amended during prosecution, for example, simply to declare (without offending Art 123(2) EPC of course) that the device shown in Fig. X is NOT the invention for which protection is sought, there is no change at all to the terminology, but might not the interpretation of the claim differ as a result of the added declaration? After all, that's the entire purpose of adding the declaration, isn't it?

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    8. Mr Thomas, thank you for looking at my previous comments, it is appreciated.

      However, whether you are willing and able to make a positive contribution to this debate is still unclear.

      One reason for doubt on this point can be illustrated by your most recent comments. That is, whilst at first appearing to concede that Art 69(1) might be unclear (with regard to which description and drawings should be used to interpret which claims), in your next breath you effectively dismiss this possibility in favour of your preferred interpretation of Art 69(1) ... again without showing your working as to why you are convinced this is the correct interpretation.

      Another reason for doubt can be illustrated by the fact that you do not appear to have considered the questions that I posed on the earlier thread, despite the fact that I specifically mentioned them. For the avoidance of doubt, the questions (1, 2, 3, A, B and C) are found in my first two comments on that thread.

      To bring some intellectual rigour to this situation, it is necessary to consider the methods of interpretation under the VCLT. I will admit that I have not conducted a comprehensive review of those methods, as they apply to Arts 84 and 69 EPC. However, you will note that the focus of the questions that I have posed is the practical effects of various alternative interpretations of those Articles. This is my way of approaching the method of purposive construction, and a way that helps me to keep my mind open to possibilities that might not otherwise have occurred to me.

      In view of my preferred approach, you will understand that persuading me to agree with you will take much more than a "because it is there" argument, especially if that argument is based solely upon a prima facie interpretation of the relevant wording.

      Finally, I would like to respond to your comment that, in view of the requirements of Art 123(2) "It follows that features of the claims cannot have a different interpretation before and after grant". This is because it really does not follow.

      As illustrated by T450/20, amendments to the description can (eg by removing relevant context) change the interpretation of an unclear term in the claims. [I place the emphasis on the word "unclear" because the principles of claim construction dictate that only when the claims are not clear on their own shall the description be used to help interpret the claims.] This means that, to avoid problems with Art 123(2) EPC, pre-grant amendments that adapt the description to allowable claims should ideally be examined very carefully by the EPO, including by considering possible effects of the description amendments on the interpretation of the claims (under Art 69(1) EPC).

      Of course, examiners do not have the time to conduct such meticulous analyses. This cannot reasonably be expected. But the potential of adding matter remains, even for relatively innocuous-looking amendments aimed at adapting the description to the allowable claims.

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  8. Probably my fault for not expressly stating this in the post, but with regards to the relevance to Art 69 EPC, please may I refer commentators to Section 125(3) UKPA. I also reiterate the point that divergence on claim interpretation under Art. 69 EPC between the EPO and UK is a problem in-and-of itself.

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    1. ...and S 130(7) UKPA, as pointed out above.

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    2. Thanks to Rose for the clarification about Sec 125(3) and 130(7) UKPA. There is indeed a link between Art 69 and the UKPA.

      It does however not change my position. A European patent can be centrally limited under Art 105b. In view of the result with the British one, I have strong doubts that the amendments requested by the proprietor would have been accepted by an ED, if it had been a granted European patent.

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    3. Mr Thomas, this kind of procedural nit-picking does your argument no favours whatsoever.

      Forget about the precise "how" and "why" of the amendments, i.e. the process leading to those amendments and the reasons that the proprietor might have had for making them. Focus instead on their effect.

      Do you agree that there are circumstances in which an amendment to a description (be it before grant or after grant) nevertheless can result in a change to the interpretation of the claim language?

      If not, why not?

      If, as seems to be your view, there are NO circumstances in which a (acceptable, allowable) description amendment can EVER result in a change to the interpretation of the claims, then why bother with forcing proprietors to amend the claims to achieve (in your view) the Platonic ideal of what the application "should" have been all along?

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  9. Sharp intake of breath, on reading SG's pithy comment on support and Art 84, EPC.

    First reaction was that SG's argument deprives of legitimacy the EPO argument that the description has to be "conformed" to each successive prosecution amendment of the claim.

    My more considered reaction is that there is still room for people to cling to their obsessively strict view, that Art 84 EPC "support" is present ONLY when there is no inconsistency whatever, between the description the EPO "intends to grant" and the claims in the form they have acquired on their way to allowance. If there is no fair way to get to zero inconsistency, they say, that's just tough luck on the Applicant; it should have done a better job when drafting the patent application. As to whether that attitude inside the EPO squares with the Art 69 command to balance the interests of the inventor with those of the public, reasonable people will likely disagree.

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    1. It's ironic that you capitalise the word "ONLY", as I believe this word is what has caused the EPO's recent (incorrect) attitude towards description amendments.

      As I say, your claim at grant must have been supported by the description as filed. If it wasn't, you've added matter somewhere along the line.

      If I have feature ZQ11 being described as optional in the description, there is clearly support for that feature being put in claim 1 to overcome some prior art. There is support in the description as filed for my amended claim 1, AND there is support in the description as filed for my original claim 1 that lacked that feature. Two things. Both are supported.

      The problem is that the EPO is reading into Art. 84 that ONLY the claims at grant must be supported, and that nothing else must be supported by the description.

      The issue is that this word "ONLY" is not present in Art. 84. It is a figment of the imagination of the EPO, and anyone else who thinks the description must be strictly conformed. It's a fiction, and certainly not intended by those who drafted the EPC.

      I believe this will all come out in the wash, but sadly only eventually and at a snail's pace.

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  10. Readers of a certain age or upbringing might be familiar with the 1950's BBC radio comedy, "The Goon Show". One of many famous bits of dialogue in that series, between the characters Bluebottle and Eccles, went along the lines which I've reproduced below (for a recording see, e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctM_Rvgjfpo).

    From time to time, the arguments put forward for the EPO and its supporters in relation to the alleged requirement for description amendments put me in mind of this exchange:

    BLUEBOTTLE: What time is it Eccles?
    ECCLES: Err, just a minute. I've got it written down here on a piece of paper. A nice man wrote the time down for me this morning.
    B: Oh, then why do you carry it around with you, Eccles?
    E: Well, if anybody asks me the time, I can show it to them.
    B: Wait a minute Eccles, my good man...
    E: What is it fellow?
    B: It's writted on this bit of paper, what is eight o'clock, is writted.
    E: I know that, my good fellow. That's right, um, when I asked the fella to write it down, it was eight o'clock.
    B: Well then. Supposing when somebody asks you the time, it isn't eight o'clock?
    E: Ah, then I don't show it to them.
    B: Oh... Well how do you know when it's eight o'clock?
    E: I've got it written down on a piece of paper!

    Simply replace references to "time", "eight o'clock" and "written down on a piece of paper" with "interpretation of the claims", "Article 84", and/or "support in the description" as you see appropriate in order to get the same effect.

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  11. So Bluebottle, is it then your position that adaptations of the description are never required?

    I don't remember seeing any comments in this blog (under this post or any of the many related posts) arguing that the EPO's recent very strict approach (suggesting the insertion of explicit disclaimers in the description) is correct. Feel free to refer me to one that shows I am wrong.

    What I see are two sides:
    - side A acknowledging that the EPO's recent strict approach is not correct but that, in general, the description must be adapted to the claims (or the claims adapted to the description, whichever you prefer) for the application to comply with Art.84,
    - side B insisting that side A agrees with the EPO's recent strict approach (and having a rather undefined position on whether amendments to the description are ever required).

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    1. Hemingway, you must in that case have missed the occasions on which numerous commenters have questioned whether Article 84 justifies a need for (any) amendment of the description.

      If there is any requirement for the description to be adapted at all, whether strictly or less strictly, that requirement necessarily has to have a legal basis. And yet nobody has been able to produce a convincing basis.

      The most common argument we get is from certain individuals insisting that it derives from Article 84, and particularly Article 84, second sentence. However, none of those individuals appear to explain why that requirement arises from Article 84, particularly why the second sentence of Article 84 must be interpreted in the way they propose and in no other way.

      It is striking that the vast majority of case law identifying a need for description amendments simply proceeds from the assertion or assumption that such amendments are necessary, but does not explain this premise. Where the Boards have taken a pro-amendment stance and have attempted to identify a legal basis for it, they disagree among themselves what that legal basis is. That disagreement, to me, says that the Boards are proceeding from the conclusion that amendments are required and then working backwards to try to justify it - hardly a legally sound approach.

      On the other hand, unless I have missed something, cases that have delved more deeply into the actual interpretation and purpose of Article 84 (or any other legal provisions which are cited from time to time) have largely been consistent in finding that no such requirement emerges, or at least that no such requirement emerges unambiguously, hence the (possible) need for the EBA to step in.

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    2. Those same commenters seem to go back and forth on the question whether an amendment of the description can ever be necessary.

      An application (description, claims, drawings) needs to comply with Art. 84 before it can be granted, and at least certain conflicts between claims and description result in a violation of Art. 84. The applicant can try to resolve the conflict by amending the application (description, claims, drawings, or a combination, this is up to the applicant).

      For example, the claim uses a term with a known meaning. The description, or perhaps one embodiment in the description, gives this same term a different, perhaps optional, meaning. Whether you prefer to call this a lack of support or a lack of clarity, it is a violation of Art. 84 (and I would call it a lack of clarity). It may be possible to resolve the conflict by adding the redefinition of the term to the claim. It may also be possible to amend the description.

      I assume you understand lack of support to be something that can never be cured by amending the description because it would require adding material to the description (and let's agree to ignore exceptional cases where the claims or drawings happen to include sufficient material to provide "support"), i.e. support can only lack if there is too little, never if there is too much. This is not an unreasonable position, but it means that other kinds of (serious) conflict will have to be covered by the clarity requirement. You can't have it both ways.

      As far as I know, the EPO has required that the description be adapted to the claims from its inception. Probably thousands of decisions of the Boards have remitted cases for grant or maintenance "with a description and drawings to be adapted" to the claims. It is wishful thinking to believe that this is going to change. (But you can always lobby for a Diplomatic Conference.)

      I expect someone to conclude that the above means that I am supporting/defending the EPO's current, sometimes unreasonably strict, approach.

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    3. Hemingway, your comment unwittingly reveals *precisely* the central problem that I referred to above.

      You say that a "conflict" such as the one you identify above IS a violation of Article 84.

      Fundamentally: why?

      Isn't this a classic example of the logical fallacy of begging the question, in the sense of assuming the conclusion (petitio principii)?

      You assume that Article 84 necessarily requires that such conflict be eliminated. How do you arrive at that assumption?

      As I note that you lean primarily on the clarity requirement here, isn't your argument at odds with the pretty much settled position that the claims should be clear in and of themselves, without recourse to the description?

      Your remark that "whether you prefer to call this a lack of support or a lack of clarity" also, no doubt unintentionally, echoes the confusion and disagreement of the Boards who are unable to agree on which limb of Article 84 (if any) gives rise to the need (if it exists) to amend the description. Such blurred lines and hesitation are not an auspicious starting point for a logically reasoned legal conclusion.

      The fact that the EPO has required the description to be amended - strictly or not - since its inception can be disregarded. "We've always done things this way" is neither a logically nor legally sound principle.

      Perhaps, fundamentally, the problem lies neither in Article 84 alone, nor in Article 69 alone, but in a (maybe irreconcilable?) tension between those two provisions - or at least as currently interpreted and applied by the EPO?

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    4. Claims should be clear by themselves, so their meaning should not be confused by conflicting statements in the description.

      Ultimately claims have to be read in the context of the patent as a whole. But since a granted patent takes away rights from the public, it is only fair to require that reading only the claims gives a member of the puiblic a reasonable amount of legal certainty.

      And law is not a matter of mathematical logic. A (judicial) practice of decades is a very strong legal foundation, even without binding precedent. The EBA can overrule such a practice, but will not do that lightly.

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    5. Hemingway, with the greatest of respect, your first and second paragraphs are not in line with what the Boards have said *at all* when it comes to the requirement that claims must be "clear by themselves".

      As for your third paragraph, this is clearly a novel form of statutory interpretation that I have not come across before.

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  12. Suddenly, the thought occurs: Ensygnia, by their conduct in the case under discussion, might just have given the EPO a load of grist for their "conforming the description" mill, and given them just the argument they need, to persevere with their crusade.

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  13. In the discussion about the meaning of « description » in Art 69, I assume that at the time of the drafting of Art 69, the case of substantive amendments to the description had likely not been anticipated and the « description » the drafters had in mind was the description as filed. The word « description » in Art 69 is arguably ambiguous since there are reasonable arguments in favour of the description as filed rather than the (amended) description of the patent. In such a case, the intent of the drafters should be analysed according to VCLT in the light of the Travaux Préparatoires, etc.

    The current practice of imposing description adaptations is explicitly justified by the objective of reducing legal uncertainty in the interpretation of claims before national courts, as clear from the press release of July 7, 2022 « EPO practice confirmed on adaptation of description «. This is, however, clearly outside the remit of the EPO.

    In addition, the EPO practice shows a distinct lack of consistency. The requirement to impose amendments of substance in the description entails the risk of new matter, whereas the EPO case law is extremely strict on this topic. In short, the EPO on the one hand asserts the objective of reducing uncertainty in national court proceedings (which involve a tiny fraction of granted patents), whereas the current practice generates for the patentee a significant risk of revocation on the ground of new matter in opposition or court proceedings. The Ensygnia vs Shell decision illustrates this risk when the amendment is a declaration that a disclosed embodiment is outside the scope of the claims. It does not matter that the patent at issue was a UK patent, the court’s reasoning would have no reason to be different for the UK part of an EP patent. It is of note that the decision acknowledges Art 69 as an « overarching principle » of claim interpretation.

    The applicant is indeed legally responsible for the content of the patent, but I think it is somewhat cavalier for the EPO to raise this argument to justify its lack of concern for the potential implications of description amendments before court proceedings. The EPO is clearly the best placed to assess the risk of new matter, including by drawing lessons from relevant decisions of national courts. This is why I suggest that applicants challenge the description adaptations required by the ED or entered by the ED at the 71(3) stage by requesting that the ED demonstrate that the amendments do not raise a new matter issue.

    A warning as to the risk of new matter should also be included in the relevant Guidelines to enhance awareness of the issue by EDs.

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    1. Francis Hagel, the term "description" in Art. 69 is exactly as (un)ambiguous as "claims".

      Art. 69(1):
      The extent of the protection conferred by a European patent or a European patent application shall be determined by the claims. Nevertheless, the description and drawings shall be used to interpret the claims.

      Let's splt this in two:
      Art. 69(1)(a):
      The extent of the protection conferred by a European patent shall be determined by the claims. Nevertheless, the description and drawings shall be used to interpret the claims.

      Art. 69(1)(b):
      The extent of the protection conferred by a European patent application shall be determined by the claims. Nevertheless, the description and drawings shall be used to interpret the claims.

      Also have a look at Art. 64 (to which Art. 69(1)(a) relates) and Art. 67 (to which Art. 69(1)(b) relates).

      Art. 64 refers to the rights conferred by the granted patent as a legal document (description, claims, drawings). Art. 64 does not relate to the application as filed or to the description as filed.

      Of course the EPO should not insist on amendments of the description (or claims or drawings) that violate Art. 123(2), and applicants should never agree to such amendments.

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  14. @Hemingway

    My understanding of Art 64 is that it starts after completion of the assessment under Art 69 (see Art 64(2), so I do not find it has relevance to the meaning of the “description”.

    Reading literally Art 69, I agree that the description referred to is the description of the patent. But this is not consistent with the assessment of equivalents in which the question is whether “a person skilled in the art would at the filing date (or where applicable the priority date) have understood it, from the description, drawings and the claims, to be excluded from the scope of protection” (AIPPI resolution Q175, 2003).

    If the description has been significantly amended, the court may hold that this alters the interpretation the claims and revoke the patent for new matter. This is what happened in the Ensygnia decision. Section 76.06 and 76.07 of the UK MPP sheds helpful light on this issue.

    Which leads to the conclusion that the EPO should ensure that an amendment does not raise a new matter issue on the basis of the case law of national courts as to claim interpretation and assessment of equivalents. This seems a requirement for consistency with the EPO's official objective of legal certainty in proceedings before national courts.

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    1. @Francis Hagel

      Not sure what you disagree with, but my point is that the existence of Art. 64 ("rights conferred by the patent") and Art. 67 ("rights conferred by the patent application") explains why Art. 69 mentions both "European patent" and "European patent application". There are situations in which you need to determine the extent of the protection conferred by the application (see Art. 67) and there are situations in which you need to determine the extent of the protection conferred by the patent (see Art. 64). This then decides whether you interpret the claims as granted with the help of the description as granted (Art. 67) or whether you interpret the claims as filed with the help of the description as filed (Art. 64). In all cases the claims should be interpreted with the help of the description and claims that correspond to it. Patent application as filed = description+claims+drawings as filed, patent as granted = description+claims+drawings as granted.

      Anyway, if I understand correctly, then we agree that the claims as granted have to be interpreted with the help of the description and drawings as granted.

      Your statement about equivalents is not inconsistent with this at all. The notional "skilled person at the filing/priority date" can perfectly well read the claims and description as granted (I don't think you seriously meant to suggest that assessment of equivalents should involve the claims as filed?). The "at the filing/priority date" part simply refers to the notional state of knowledge and abilities of the notional skilled person.

      And yes, added subject-matter can lead to revocation. There is no dispute on this. See what I wrote above.

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  15. The day I will be shown that the adaptation of the description has actually been detrimental to a proprietor, other than in the present case, where the amendment was made after grant in an attempt to catch a potential infringer, I will be open to change my mind.

    One proviso will remains as long Art 84 is as it stands. Art 84 deals with the clarity of the claims as such and their support by the description. According to Art 172, Art 84 can be amended by a diplomatic conference or a common declaration of a all the EPC contracting states in the meaning of Art 31 VCLT. We are however not yet there.

    Up to know, I have only been confronted with possible “practical effects” or hypothetical possibilities, but not with hard facts. If an independent claim is amended, for instance by taking features from description or by combining it with dependent claims, any statement that the added features in the independent claims are optional is to be deleted.

    If some embodiments are not any longer covered by the amended claims, they cannot represent the invention as claimed. I would not necessarily require deletion, but it has to be made clear what belongs to the claimed invention and what does not belong to it.

    As far as I am concerned, the topic is exhausted. I will not reply to any further comment, not because I think I am right, but for the simple reason that we are turning in circles. Let’s at least agree that we disagree. I will be happy with this.

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    1. Mr Thomas, I can fully agree that you are in disagreement with many of the other commenters here. With the utmost of respect, though, the fact that this conversation is "turning in circles" is one that I lay squarely at your door.

      This is a curious type of debate, in which one side repeatedly and indignantly insists that it is right, but when asked to explain why, can only point to the second sentence of Article 84 and argue - by way of bare assertion - that this requires amendment of the description.

      The reason that so many of us continue to argue this point is in the hope of getting beyond this initial stage. The Board responsible for T 1989/18, and for the potential new EBA case, has looked at the functioning of Article 84 EPC in detail and has come to the conclusion that it does not clearly have the sole interpretation and sole consequence that you assert. They - and other Boards - have explained in detail why they disagree with the current practice of the EPO. From this it should be clear that reasonable minds can differ on this point.

      There is clearly therefore room for reasonable minds to differ on the interpretation of Article 84 EPC. Despite that, the dialogue continues to go one way - we have heard the Boards' arguments why Article 84 does not justify amendment, and we are genuinely curious to know what the arguments are in the other direction. And yet, answer comes there none. You simply insist on putting the cart before the horse, asserting the conclusion and declaring the debate closed, as though that is all there is to it, without explaining how you arrive at that conclusion.

      The shifting of goal posts is also hard to ignore. Up until now you have always argued that nobody has been able to point to a case where the amendment of the description had any effect. Now such a case has come to light and you are instead arguing that, well, maybe you might change your mind, but not as a result of this case. It is the "no true Scotsman" fallacy in action. You are arguing over irrelevant facts such as the fact that this was a GB patent and not an EP(GB), or that the amendment was made under GB law and not at the EPO, or that the amendment was made for reasons with which you disagree. You are doing this while conveniently ignoring the fact that this case very clearly demonstrates, on the basis of the same legal principles, the key point which those of us on the other side have been arguing all along: it is now beyond a reasonable doubt that amendment of the description can affect the interpretation of the claims after grant. With that very serious consequence in mind, we therefore want to know what the legal basis is for the EPO to require Applicants to take a step that is so risky.

      It is truly, truly odd that you are so unwilling to enter into discussion on this topic in good faith. On your blog you post interesting and thoughtful comments on many different aspects of the EPC, and you are not shy of pointing out when you disagree with the EPO's practice or the opinions of the Boards. And yet on this topic your mind is completely closed, and has been since the outset. Why?

      I do not expect to get any sense out of you any more, but let me ask a general question to the readership of this blog. Is there anyone, anyone at all, out there who is willing to put the EPO's current practice on a solid legal footing, and to explain the legal arguments which Mr Thomas, Hemingway, and others seem to be so reluctant to bring forward, despite their certainty in their position?

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    2. DXThomas, regarding "it has to be made clear what belongs to the claimed invention and what does not belong to it", if the description mentions "X is an embodiment of the invention" but X is not undisputably covered by an independent claims, would you require the statement to be amended to "X is not covered by the claims", as the Guidelines seem to require now, or would you be fine with "X is an example useful for understanding the invention", as the Guidelines used to require in the past?

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    3. Well, I think that last comment from DX Thomas is useful, in its statement that:

      "it has to be made clear what belongs to the claimed invention and what does not belong to it."

      Is M. Thomas here referring to the claim or to the description? I think he has in mind the description as the location where "it has to be made clear". That is more than Art 84, EPC requires though, isn't it?

      A question of interest to me is whether, in a case where the language of a claim amended in prosecution is clear, the text of the originally-filed description, still present in the granted patent, can render that claim so unclear that it fails to comply with Art 84, EPC.

      Another question is whether insisting on strict "compliance" of the description with the claim as amended during prosecution is, in fact, going to simplify a full-blown, post-grant, inter Partes dispute over both infringement and validity of the duly issued and, in itself, satisfactorily clear claim. I have my doubts and can well imagine that in many cases it will increase rather than thin out the number of contentious issues between the parties.

      And what about writing a Freedom to Operate opinion? Will an elaborate program of prosecution amendment of the description to conform it to the claims do anything to enable the opinion-writer to achieve a higher level of confidence in the accuracy of their opinion? I am still not convinced by M.Thomas' conviction that the description "has to be" strictly conformed in the interests of legal certainty and the orderly and fair administration of justice in a dispute over infringement and validity. Inside the EPO this much, it seems, is self-evident. Not to me though.



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    4. Bluebottle, you ask "Is there anyone, anyone at all, out there who is willing to put the EPO's current practice on a solid legal footing". In essence, I have been seeking an answer to this question for a year or so. I am still waiting for any kind of sensible answer.

      By the way, I have also tried to find out whether anyone is aware of any case in which an "improper" adaptation of the description led a national court to reach the "wrong" conclusion regarding the scope of protection afforded by the claims. Again, I was deafened by the silence in response.

      So, to summarise, I have yet to see any robust explanation of the theoretical (legal) basis for the EPO's position, or any case law that illustrates the concerns underlying that position.

      After seeking for so long, it is alarming that I have found literally nothing that might provide either theoretical or practical support for the EPO's current practice. I therefore find it unsurprising that the Boards of Appeal that have taken the time to consider this matter in depth have also concluded that the EPO's current practice has no legal basis.

      Despite all of this, I remain open to well-reasoned counter-arguments. However, waiting for those has become indistinguishable from waiting for Godot. Frankly, I doubt whether there is anyone out there who is both willing and able to provide such well-reasoned counter-arguments.

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    5. @Anonymous:
      "A question of interest to me is whether, in a case where the language of a claim amended in prosecution is clear, the text of the originally-filed description, still present in the granted patent, can render that claim so unclear that it fails to comply with Art 84, EPC."

      The question whether the granted claim is clear or not is irrelevant because clarity is not a ground for opposition or revocation.

      Before grant (or after amendment during opposition), a claim that has seemingly clear wording can still be unclear within the meaning of Art. 84 if conflicting statements in the description create doubt as to its meaning. See T 985/98, T 2766/17, many other decisions.

      "After seeking for so long, it is alarming that I have found literally nothing that might provide either theoretical or practical support for the EPO's current practice. I therefore find it unsurprising that the Boards of Appeal that have taken the time to consider this matter in depth have also concluded that the EPO's current practice has no legal basis."

      What do you mean by "current practice". There have been decades of case law confirming that the description needs to conform to the claims. If you have failed to find any such decisions, then you did not look very carefully.

      There is no doubt that there is a legal basis for requiring the description and claims to be brought into conformity. Where there is room for discussion is the extent of conformity between claims and description that Art. 84 requires there to be. On this point, the current Guidelines may well be too strict. But trying to get the Guidelines fixed by arguing "no legal basis!" in the face of decades of case law that contradict you, is perhaps not the best strategy.

      Compare with inventive step: there is no question that there is a legal basis for rejecting applications for lack of inventive step. This does not mean that each and every rejection is correct, nor does it mean that the Guidelines on inventive step cannot contain incorrect statements. But are you going to contest statements in the Guidelines by arguing "no legal basis!"?

      "Despite all of this, I remain open to well-reasoned counter-arguments. However, waiting for those has become indistinguishable from waiting for Godot. Frankly, I doubt whether there is anyone out there who is both willing and able to provide such well-reasoned counter-arguments."

      You can choose to be biased all you want, but it is not going to increase your powers of persuasion.

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    6. @Hemingway
      Thank you for effectively proving my point.

      I seek well-reasoned counter-arguments or robust explanations of legal basis. In response to this, you provide (factually incorrect) assertions and mere opinion.

      To illustrate, it is not correct to state that "There is no doubt that there is a legal basis for requiring the description and claims to be brought into conformity". See T 1989/18 and its kin, which clearly provide the room for "doubt" that you claim does not exist.

      As for the "decades of case law", I hate to break it to you that even a long, unbroken line of case law does not constitute a permissible means of interpretation of a legal provision under the VCLT. As others have pointed out, it is perfectly possible for such a long line to eventually be overturned, for example when, for the first time, the EBA considers the matter in detail.

      As to your opinion that I am biased, I guess that I will leave it to others to decide whether there is any merit to your assertion. From my perspective, however, it seems to me that your opinion lacks support in the way of objective evidence.

      Of course, if you wish to increase your powers of persuasion, you could always start by pointing me to a (national court) case in which an "improper" adaptation of the description led a national court to reach the "wrong" conclusion regarding the scope of protection afforded by the claims.

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    7. I'm not a parent but, nevertheless, the most recent exchange between Hemingway and Pudding, immediately above, reminds me of the eternal parent-child exchange in which the child poses the eminently reasonable question "Why? only to be met with the oh so infuriating response, from the exasperated parent who has no other reply available "Because I say so!". Only in Europe can the Patent Office suppose itself to be the father of child-like patents courts ignorant of the rights and wrongs of the law of patent infringement, and sorely in need of disciplined instruction on the matter.

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    8. @Proof:
      I now understand you were the Anonymous person.

      Some weeks ago I asked you: "Weren't you arguing that the EPO may *never* require amendments to the description?"

      You answered: "Hemingway: as will be evident from the above, my main problem is with the EPO's strict description-adaptation practice. I am not aiming to tackle the question of whether there should be any requirement to adapt the description. That is a completely different matter."

      But now you apparently went back to arguing that the EPO may *never* require amendments to the description (for lack of a legal basis). Was there a reason for changing your position?

      Anyway, so after "seeking for so long" you found "literally nothing that might provide either theoretical or practical support for the EPO's current practice". When I then point out that there is decades of case law supporting Art. 84 as a legal basis for requiring the claims and description to be brought in conformity, you still consider this "literally nothing".

      You will have to forgive me for concluding that you are selecting your facts.

      Regarding the EBA, yes, they can overrule decades of case law. But they will not do that lightly. After decades of case law, the EBA does not start with a blank sheet.

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    9. Hemingway, if you intend to make a positive contribution to this debate, you will need to enter into it with good faith. You can demonstrate good faith by conceding when those with whom you are debating make a point that you can agree is correct.

      One issue under debate between us was whether there is any doubt that "there is a legal basis for requiring the description and claims to be brought into conformity". I pointed to T 1989/18 and its kin as factual basis for the existence of doubt. However, instead of conceding that point, you now focus upon a completely different issue, namely the line of case law that you believe I support. That point is plainly irrelevant to the issue that we were debating. Even if you did not intentionally raise that point as a distraction tactic, please note that I will not be distracted. I would therefore direct your attention back to the original issue under debate.

      On a separate note, a broader issue under debate between us relates to the "well-reasoned counter-arguments" that I have been seeking for some time now. Here I will concede that my comments could have perhaps been more explicit in pointing out that, with regard to theoretical (legal) arguments, what I seek are:
      (a) robust arguments, namely arguments that carefully and meticulously apply the permissible methods of interpretation under the VCLT; and
      (b) arguments that interpret Art 84 EPC (and/or other potentially relevant provisions of the EPC) in a manner that supports the EPO's current (ie "strict") description adaptation practice.

      Because it does not meet at least requirement (a) above, you will therefore understand why I view decades of case law supporting (without detailed reasoning) the practice of description adaptation as "literally nothing" in this regard. To be clear, what I am looking for is comprehensive and legally sound reasoning relating to the interpretation of the EPC.

      Finally, as to your assertion that I am the Anonymous above, you are again incorrect. That is a point that will be hard for me to prove. However, I know for a fact that the Anonymous above is not me.

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    10. In case it helps, I am the "Anonymous" who posted on Sunday Aug 13th the paragraph that begins "A question of interest to me....". When posting that one, I failed to notice that the "Comment as:" box on screen was showing "Anonymous" (rather than my usual Max Drei pseudonym). Sorry about that.

      Given the quality of PP's postings, and the shallowness and flippancy of mine, I am amused (and a bit chuffed) that Hemingway could have come to the "understanding" that my post of Sunday Aug 13th was written by PP.

      I am enjoying the exchanges on this thread. I hope they are not yet exhausted.

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  16. I struggle to see how this case can be used to show the EPO the alleged danger of its ways.

    The case at best shows the risk of adding matter by both claim and description amendments. It should be noted that the proprietor made both willingly in 2019 (before the first hardline iteration of the GLs in 2020?)

    The proprietor shifted the scope of protection to catch an infringement. In general claim 1 as granted required an electronic sign. The infringement required a static sign. The description is changed to say an electronic sign is outside scope of claims.

    Considering a hypothetical EPO grant, I sincerely doubt the EPO would have either requested or allowed such a description amendment especially given claim 1 as granted requires an electronic device. We can only speculate what would have happened had these changes been requested via central limitation but my gut feeling is it would not have been seen as a limitation and rejected. Were the patent opposed, 123(3) would have put a stop to this amendment.

    So I am afraid to conclude that this case might actually help the EPO’s approach by showing why a proprietor should tell us that contradictions to claim wording are not within the scope of the claim, or not later assert claimed features as optional.

    To avoid dismissal of being on a side, I should state I don’t like the EPO’s approach either and doubt its legal basis. However, to have a constructive debate, we need to acknowledge that a Proprietor attempting to contort a claim as granted on the basis of the description serves no one well.

    In summary, we can’t point to bad EPO for what seems like a well meaning attempt to give the public some certainty and turn a blind eye to how this case was conducted. It’s not an exaggeration to say the proprietor attempted to remove a granted feature from the scope of the claims using the description. That cannot be right.

    When we complain about the EPO binding the courts, do we really mean they are binding the proprietor?

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    1. Good comment. I agree that the case in England is useful to those defending the EPO's current ultra-strict lines on Art 84 and Art 123(2) EPC. And yes, we can see from the contributions here from DX Thomas that the strict line is just as much about policing the patent owner as it is about teaching the courts how to do patent law properly.

      In theory, the EBA, with its learned external members making a full contribution, ought to be able to create a body of case law in Europe that is the envy of the rest of the world, because it is crafted by top class patent law experts steeped for decades in all the issues, in all their complexity. I think that is what used to happen. But these days, I am sceptical that anybody on the EBA any longer gives much weight to what the external members have to say (perhaps because the EPO-internal members are ever- increasingly concerned to stay under the radar so that they can then quietly retire with a full pension).

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  17. Hemingway asks DX Thomas whether he would be "fine" with the superseded text in the Guidelines or whether, instead, he wants the full rigour of the current Guidelines. For my part, I'm not "fine" with either of them. If you use a word like "embodiment" or "example" that begs the question "Of what?" and what else can the answer be than "The invention"? I mean, in mechanical cases, we see "embodiments" in the drawings whereas in chemical cases we read in the description the text of worked "Examples", all relative to the claimed subject matter.

    So I doubt that M. Thomas is "fine" at all with the earlier Guidelines text.

    Is there such a thing as a "comparative embodiment" I wonder.

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    1. You make a good point about the words "embodiment" and "example". Still, I don't think the EPO should insist on the complete removal of material that falls outside the claim or on the insertion into the description of disclaimers (which both could infringe 123(2) and create a trap situation).

      It is normal that the description as filed discloses more than what ends up being claimed by the granted patent. As long as there is no positive statement in the description that certain material falls within the claims (such as the use of "embodiment of the invention"), I would think the potential argument "the claim must be interpreted to cover this material" is insufficiently strong to worry about it.

      But it may be necessary to assess this case by case.

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    2. Thanks Hemingway for that answer. The thing about comparative (chemical) Examples in the application as filed is that they are, from the get go, included deliberrately by the Applicant to disclose what is NOT the subject matter for which protection is sought. Conversely, mechanical cases as filed don't normally include disclosures of device designs that are deliberately outside the subject matter for which protection is sought.

      Currently, in the case of a narrowing claim amendment during prosecution of a mechanical case, the EPO insists that the disclosure of such illustrated devices, part of the original disclosure of the subject matter for which protection is sought, be either deleted or labelled explicitly as NOT the invention. One or the other, commands the EPO, and no other possibility. But construing the absolute scope of protection of a claim is none of the EPO's business. Even in opposition proceedings, when Art 123(3) EPC is in play, the EPO need not construe the absolute scope of protection but only whether any given amendment delivers an incremental increase in that scope.

      This current pre-grant practice under Art 84 EPC is ultra vires, beyond the competence of the EPO and meddling where it ought not to meddle and need not meddle. It should have more respect for the courts, and leave to them tasks which are exclusively the preserve of the courts.

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  18. When stating that we are turning in circles, Mr Thomas seems to take the role of a self-appointed moderator. I am quite pleased that many interesting comments have followed. If Mr Thomas does not want to contribute other comments, this is of course his personal choice and I respect it.

    As to his position that he has « only been confronted with possible “practical effects” or hypothetical possibilities, but not with hard facts », I have to point out that this exactly matches the EPO’s justification for its practice.

    The EPO has explained in its press release of July 7, 2022 that its concern was to improve legal certainty in national court proceedings. In addition to the fact that this is beyond its remit, as clear from the case law of the BOAs, this only refers to hypothetical scenarios. A tiny fraction of granted patents are asserted before national courts. On the other hand, when the description has been substantially amended, the fact is that the defendant always argues that there is new matter and the court has to perform a thorough review of the amendments to assess whether they may alter the interpretation of the claims and constitute new matter. This entails great uncertainty, contrary to the EPO’s stated objective, legal expenses and the risk of revocation of the patent.

    In addition, the EPO Guidelines assert that any inconsistency between the claims and the description must be removed as this might cause doubt as to the meaning of the words of the claims. Again, this is only a hypothetical. The PCT ISPE Guidelines section 5.29 take the sensible position that inconsistencies need only be removed if they cause doubt (in the present tense) as to the meaning of the words of the claim. In this case, the burden of proof is clearly on the examiner or ED.

    @Hemingway
    Thank you for your answer. But I disagree with your statement that the notional "skilled person at the filing/priority date" can perfectly well read the claims and description as granted. Of course the claims are the claims as granted. But if we rely on the skilled person at the filing date, the skilled person’s reading of the description must also rely on the description as filed for consistency. Otherwise, the skilled person’s reading may take into account substantial amendments which may alter the interpretation of the claims by the court.



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    1. @Francis:
      "But if we rely on the skilled person at the filing date, the skilled person’s reading of the description must also rely on the description as filed for consistency. Otherwise, the skilled person’s reading may take into account substantial amendments which may alter the interpretation of the claims by the court. "

      Any amendment made to the application documents (description, claims, drawings) can affect the rights conferred by the granted patent, namely via the interpretation of the claims with the help of the description and drawings (Art. 69(1)), and ultimately this interpretative exercise is carried out by the national court. This is no way conflicts with the notional skilled person reading the granted patent (description, claims, drawings) with his cgk and abilities at the filing date (*).

      If you mean that substantial amendments might add material not present in the application as filed, then that is correct. This is why Art. 123(2) and similar provisions for opposition and revocation exist.

      We agree that very substantial amendments of the description, in particular amendments that have a serious potential of infringing Art. 123(2), should normally be avoided.

      (*) if the relevant date is the priority date, then by your logic it should be the description of the priority document that is used, not the description as filed, which quite often contains substantial amendments. So the logic does not work.

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  19. In view of the numerous comments following my last entry, I feel obliged to say something.

    The claims should be supported not only at grant, but also at filing. This is why it is allowed, without infringing Art 123(2) to integrate the wording of claims or even clause-like claims, provided they were present at filing, into the actual description, should some features be only mentioned in the filed claims or clause like claims, but not in the description as filed.

    I can agree that it is wishful thinking to think that the policy of the EPO and that of a vast majority of the boards will change in matters of adaptation of the description. I cannot see for a long time a diplomatic conference being convened just in order to amend Art 84. If any diplomatic conference is to be convened, its aim should be to give the boards the true independence they need.

    As far the influence of external members of the EBA is concerned, it is clear that they will never form the majority in a panel of the EBA. They might be two, maximum three external members, but never more.

    I further doubt that the EBA would be inclined to interpret Art 84 in the way wished by some boards and lots of commenters. As I have said many times, a referral to the EBA can be a dangerous game. The answer to the referral will not necessarily live up to expectations. In many situations, e.g. undisclosed disclaimers, the EBA simply endorsed the established practice. Have the users of the EPC become wiser with G 2/21?

    It might be an assertion to refer to the second sentence of Art 84, but it is no more than an assertion that the requirement of adaptation of the description is not what Art 84 says.

    I am anything but a self-appointed moderator and I am neither obsessed by a strict line on this matter. I have a private opinion, based on my long experience at the EPO, and I am by no means speaking for the EPO. That my private opinion matches, to a certain extent that of the EPO, is no more than a coincidence.

    It is simply exhausting having to repeat the same considerations and to be faced with the same considerations from “the other side”. This is why I think that we are turning in circles.

    Without claiming to be right, the type of amendment thought for by Ensygnia, would most probably not have been allowed by an ED acting upon a request of limitation. It is manifest that this amendment of the description is anything but a limitation, as on top of it, the aim was to catch a potential infringer. If the applicant only ever only thought of an electronic sign, why should be allowed to indirectly claim a static sign.

    I feel sorry for Rose, but the Ensygnia vs. Shell case was not the best example criticising the EPO in matters of adaptation of the description, or attempting to induce the EPO to change its policy.

    I have always been in favour of a reasonable approach in matters of adaptation, but with the best will, it is not possible for me to follow those who claim that, with Art 84 as it stands, the description does not have to be adapted to the claims.

    When talking about the adaptation of the description, lots of commenters refer to the Guidelines F-IV, 4.3. I would also recommend looking at Guidelines F-IV, 6.3. Both parts should be read together. A pedantic and extremely formalistic approach is not what is required by Art 84, but simply to claim that the description should not be adapted to the claims goes too far for me.

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    1. DXT, I don't wish to drag up old arguments, but I have never seen your thoughts on the fact that the Travaux préparatoires show that the wording "fully supported" in Article 84 was deemed too restrictive. I would be interested to know what you think the difference is between "supported by the description" and "fully supported by the description".

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    2. Dear Anonymous of Tuesday, 15 August 2023 at 14:15:00 GMT+1,

      Thanks for reminding me of your arguments about the “Travaux preparatoires” for the EPC. When talking about Art 84, it was during the “Travaux preparatoires” Art 71a.

      The deletion of “fully” was requested, not by government representatives but by various non-governmental organisations, inter alia the AIPPI, FICPI and CNIPA, but not the Chinese Patent Office, rather what is now CIPA.

      Furthermore, CNIPA/CIPA wanted that a lack of clarity became a ground of opposition. This has been opposed and even the attempt to bring clarity as a ground of opposition in 2000 failed. One can guess what would happened if Art 84 would have become a ground of opposition. The position with respect of support might have been quite different.

      I can agree that the term “fully supported” might have been felt too restrictive and hence the less intrusive wording supported has been adopted. Counter proposals were to replace “fully” by “fairly”, among them CNIPA/CIPA. Actually whether fully supported, fairly supported or just supported does not make a lot of a difference.

      At the time of the “Travaux preparatoires”, it was not possible for those in charge to guess how the boards of appeal would apply the requirement of support, be it full support or just support.

      Taking pretext of the “Travaux preparatoires” for not adapting the description is a cheap argument brought forward a posteriori by those wanting to keep the description as filed unamended. If the EPO legislator wanted this, he would have said so, like it is the case in the US or France.

      It means clearly and unambiguously that claims have to be supported by the description. It can however not mean that the description has not to be adapted once the claims as filed are amended, in general restricted. Such a restriction follows the introduction in the procedure of prior art unknown to the applicant.

      Features added to an independent claim cannot be left as being optional in the granted description and embodiments/examples disclosed in the description as filed, but not any longer falling under the granted claims cannot be left as belonging to the invention as claimed at the end of the examination procedure. I would be wary of deleting anything from the description, but it cannot agree that the description has not to be amended at all the end of the examination procedure. This is not what is foreseen in the EPC as it stands.

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    3. @DXT:
      "The claims should be supported not only at grant, but also at filing."

      Even better: the application should comply with the EPC not only at grant, but also at filing.

      But in practice most application do not yet fully comply with the EPC at filing, and the EPC does allow applicants to overcome deficiencies by amendment.

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    4. @ Hemingway

      The deep meaning of your comment, in the context of the adaptation of the description under Art 84, remains obscure.

      That in practice most applications do not fully comply with the EPC at filing, and the EPC does allow applicants to overcome deficiencies by amendment, is a truism. In French, I would call this knocking down an open door.

      Should in practice most applications fully comply with the EPC at filing, it would allow the upper management of the EPO to save on lots of examiners and office space! What a perspective!

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    5. @DXT:
      Sorry, my comment, picking on a single sentence, was unnecessary and I should not have posted it. I understood what you meant by it.

      I believe we agree that Art. 84 requires a reasonable degree of conformity between the claims and the description.

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    6. @DXT
      I have to admit to being more than a little surprised by your allegation that:
      "Taking pretext of the “Travaux preparatoires” for not adapting the description is a cheap argument brought forward a posteriori by those wanting to keep the description as filed unamended."

      Reliance upon the TP to interpret a provision of an international convention is expressly permitted by Art 32 VCLT. To quote the EBA (in G 2/12):
      "Pursuant to Article 31(1) Vienna Convention "a treaty shall be interpreted in good faith in accordance with the ordinary meaning to be given to the terms of the treaty in their context and in the light of its object and purpose."
      In summary, this objective method of interpretation is directed to establishing the "authentic" meaning of the relevant provision and its legal terms.
      The starting point of interpretation is thus the wording, i.e. the "objective" meaning, regardless of the original "subjective" intention of the contracting parties. To this end, the provisions are to be read in their context so that they comply with the object and purpose of the European Patent Convention.
      The preparatory work
      ("travaux preparatoires") and the circumstances of the conclusion of the EPC serve only as supplementary sources of evidence to confirm the result of the interpretation or if no reasonable meaning can be determined by applying the general rule of interpretation (Article 32 Vienna Convention)."

      I could agree with you that the TP might not be very relevant for interpreting a provision that unarguably has a clear an unambiguous meaning. However, if that were the case for Art 84 EPC, then we would not have such a divergence of case law on the alleged legal basis (or lack thereof) for the EPO's current, "strict" practice on adaptation of the description. Indeed, even the case law supporting the EPO's practice divides into two camps, namely those citing "clarity" and those citing "support".

      I know that you have strong views on which line of case law you believe is correct. That is your prerogative. However, if there is to be any advance in this debate, you will at some point need to concede that:
      - the correct interpretation of Art 84 EPC (as regards its relevance, or otherwise, to adaptation of the description) has not yet been definitively established; and
      - the divergent lines of case law make it clear that there is still room for reasonable minds to differ ... for example with respect to the relevance of the TP to the interpretation of Art 84 EPC.

      For good measure, you could also consider providing your detailed, legal analysis of the significance of the TP (and, in particular, the change from "fully supported" to "supported"). This would be purely for the sake of (hypothetical) argument, ie in case, contrary to your assertion, it transpires that the TP are relevant to the interpretation of Art 84 EPC.

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    7. Mr. Thomas, for your reference, CIPA and CNIPA are not the same body. CNIPA was the "Committee of National Institutes of Patent Agents", a loose association of European patent bar associations, such as CIPA, PAK etc.

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  20. It seems that, depending upon one's perspective, the Ensygnia v Shell either supports or undermines the EPO's "strict" practice regarding adaptation of the description.

    For those inclined to support the EPO's practice, the UK case demonstrates that an incompletely / improperly aligned description can be used to afford the wording of the claims a meaning completely different to that deemed patentable during prosecution.

    For the rest of us, the UK case demonstrates that amendments to the description can change the meaning afforded to unchanged claim language.

    Really, these two views are two sides of the same coin. That is, they both recognise the fact that the meaning affording the wording of the claims can be influenced by the content of the description. In this respect, it seems to me that what causes a divergence of views is whether this fact is viewed as either:
    (a) a compelling reason to insist upon "strict" adaptation of the description to the claims as allowed; or
    (b) cause for alarm about a practice that requires adaptation of the description in the absence of a properly determined (and mutually agreed) meaning afforded to the wording of the claims.

    I guess that the side that one picks therefore could have a lot to do with what one perceives as the greater evil, namely either:
    1) patentees being able to use an "improperly" amended (or completely unamended) description to argue, in national court proceedings, for an over-broad scope of protection; or
    2) patents being either invalidated or afforded an unreasonably narrow scope of protection due to description amendments made to meet the EPO's "strict" requirements.

    For me, it is not difficult to pick option 2 as the greater evil. This is because the risks:
    - affect potentially every patent granted by the EPO; and
    - are enhanced by the fact that the EPO does not properly (i.e. using Art 69 EPC) determine the meaning of the wording of the claims.

    On the other hand, option 1 gives rise to risks:
    - only for those patents whose claims contain unclear terms (as it is only for those patents that the description will be used to help interpret the claims); and then
    - only if a national court is hoodwinked by the patentee's arguments in favour of an over-broad scope of protection (and does not invalidate the patent in view of that broad scope).

    As far as I am aware, there is not one single example of the risks under option 1 ever having crystallised in practice. As the EPO's "strict" description adaptation practice is relatively new, this strongly suggests that, even when faced with descriptions containing the kind of contradictions / inconsistencies that are now apparently verboten at the EPO, the national courts are still perfectly capable of delivering fair results.

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  21. Regardless of my observations above, experience teaches me that there are still those that will view option 1 as the greater evil. Whilst I do not expect to be able to change anyone's mind, I would merely encourage those who take that view to take a moment to consider the risks under option 2. This is because doing so might facilitate understanding of the genuine concerns of "the other side". In this regard, the following comments might help to illustrate the basis of some of those concerns.

    Under the EPO's current, "strict" practice, applicants are required to amend the description to remove all contradictions / inconsistencies with the allowed claims. But how can any contradictions / inconsistencies be identified if the meaning afforded to the wording of the claims is not first determined?

    The true meaning of the wording of the claims can only be determined by reading the claims and description through the eyes of the skilled person (i.e. bearing their c.g.k. in mind) and by careful application of Art 69 EPC and the Protocol thereto.

    During prosecution, the EPO never determines the true meaning of the wording of the claims in this way. Does this mean that objections raised by the EPO to alleged contradictions / inconsistencies (between the claims and the description) are improper, in that they derive from a non-EPC interpretation of the claims? Could adapting the description to such a non-EPC interpretation risk adding matter (or affording an unreasonably narrow scope of protection to the claims)?

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    1. @ Proof of the pudding,

      Your considerations are interesting and deserve to be commented.

      In my eyes, one problem has to be cleared first: it has to be decided first whether Art 69 is at all applicable in proceedings before the EPO or only by way of exception, when features in a claim are unclear or when assessing whether the scope of protection has been extended in opposition. The present case law of the boards is diverging on this matter. Without this clarification any further discussion, also on the adaptation of the description does not appears very effective.

      You reproach the EPO that it “does not properly (i.e. using Art 69 EPC) determine the meaning of the wording of the claims”. As said it has to be decided first whether and how Art 69 is to be applied in procedures before the EPO.

      Examiners at the EPO are not stupid and it can be considered that they have the knowledge of the person skilled in the art in their technical area. It will thus allow them to discriminate between a cat and a dog, and even between the different races of cats and dogs. If there is a claim to a Great Dane and the description says that under a Great Dane one can also understand a Chihuahua, we have a problem. Or do we not?

      You claim that there is a bigger risk with option 2, but I have not yet seen one case like this. You infer this risk from Ensygnia v Shell, but in this case, the applicant tried, by amending the description in view of a potential infringement, to give a broader meaning to a feature contained in a claim.

      Whether the applicant had previously conceded in the description what has to be understood as being the claimed invention could not have played a determining role. It was more convenient for the judge to start with the own acknowledgment of the proprietor, but even without this acknowledgment, I doubt that the decision of the judge would have been different. I am therefore of the opinion that Ensygnia v Shell does not help very much either way.

      You further claim that the EPO never determines the true meaning of the wording of the claims. I beg to disagree. How could a deciding body of the EPO decide on Novelty, Inventive Step as well as added-matter or sufficiency without giving the features in a claim their ordinary meaning? I certainly do not share your view that, it is improper for the EPO to remedy to “alleged contradictions / inconsistencies (between the claims and the description), in that they derive from a non-EPC interpretation of the claims”? What allows you to speak about a non-EPC interpretation of the claims?

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    2. It could indeed be, Daniel, that Ensygnia is of little help but can that also be said of the pemetrexed case, limited during prosecution in the EPO to the sodium salt of pemetrexed because i) that was the only worked example, and ii) in the application as filed there was no claim at the "pemetrexed" level of generalisation. Instead, the inventive concept was expressed at a level of generalisation wider than just pemetrexed. Had the drafter of the patent included a claim at the "pemetrexed salt" intermediate level of generalisation there would likely have been no litigation and no controversy. The potassium salt would have been an infringement, no doubt, no controversy.

      But there was litigation, as to whether the potassium salt infringed the sodium salt claim under any pertaining Doctrine of Equivalents. The judges had to decide between legal certainty and a scope of protection that gave "fair" protection to the patentee, having regard to the nature of the inventive concept given to the public through the 18 month WO A publication..

      We can contemplate what would have happened if the current strict Art 84 conformity regime had been in effect, in the case of the pemetrexed patent application. A description of the sodium embodiment and everything else expunged from the description or labelled "not the invention". Consequence: inventive concept re-defined as the sodium salt, nothing more. Little or no chance then for the patent owner successfully to assert the patent successfully against the potassium variant. And all for want of a dependent claim at the key intermediate level of generalisation.

      Not sure whether asking the EBA whether the EPO should, prior to grant, acknowledge the existence of Art 69 EPC will sweep away at a stroke the entire Art 84 "conformity" controversy. Not even sure there is any point in asking the EBA the question.

      The only lesson we can take from all this debate is that drafters need to be more thoughtful, prosecuters need to be ultra-careful and that (some) EPO Examiners need to be mindful of the statutory obligation to i) grant patents and ii) allow Applicants the chance to acquire a scope of protection that is "fair" and commensurate with what they have disclosed to the public as their valuable, new, useful and inventive contribution to the progress of technology. Guidelines authors, please note!

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    3. Mr Thomas, you have correctly identified the fact that the EPO's approach to interpreting the claims has implications for other provisions that the EPO examines, such as novelty and inventive step. But why should that fact make any difference to the validity (or otherwise) of my observations?

      You also ask how I can speak of a "non-EPC" approach to interpreting the claims. I would answer that with questions of my own: Is there any provision of the EPC other than Art 69 that sets out how the claims should be interpreted? And do we not agree that the EPO does not follow (all of) Art 69 when interpreting the claims?

      To be clear, I do not "reproach" the EPO for the manner in which they choose to interpret the claims of patents and patent applications. I merely observe that how they approach that task is not in accordance with Art 69 EPC (and its Protocol). Indeed, as you will see from one of my earlier comments, I believe that it would be unreasonable to expect EPO examiners to conduct the kind of thorough, detailed analysis that is demanded by Art 69 EPC.

      A pragmatic approach to claim interpretation is clearly needed to prevent examination of patent applications turning into a long, drawn out and eye-wateringly expensive process. However, it is important to remember that the results of such a pragmatic approach will only represent a rough approximation of the true (ie Art 69 EPC) result. Sometimes the rough approximation will be surprisingly close to the true result. Other times not so much ... as evidenced by the outcome of some opposition proceedings.

      Relying upon a rough approximation may not be ideal when assessing novelty and inventive step. However, doing so is unlikely to result in amendments to the claims that add subject matter. This is because such amendments will need to be based squarely upon the disclosure of the application as filed.

      By way of contrast, relying upon a rough approximation (of the meaning of the claims) is highly likely to lead to added matter problems if the description is strictly adapted to the roughly approximate meaning of the claims. For example, matter could be added (as per Ensygnia v Shell) if reliance upon the rough approximation leads to the mislabelling of an embodiment as "not the invention according to the claims".

      The problem here is the use of a roughly approximate meaning of the claims as a guide for amendments to the description. It is really self-evident that a practice that insists upon strict conformity with such a rough approximation is, at least on occasion, going to produce some terrible results.

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  22. Dear Max Drei,
    Comment part 1

    Whilst I can agree with you that Ensygnia is of little help, this cannot at all be said about the pemetrexed case (EP 1 313 508 B1). The patent has been limited during prosecution at the EPO to the disodium salt of pemetrexed because i) that was the only worked out example, and ii) in the application as filed there was no claim at the "pemetrexed" level of generalisation.

    You consider that, had the drafter of the patent included a claim at the "pemetrexed salt" intermediate level of generalisation there would likely have been no litigation and no controversy. I beg to disagree, as the application as filed was silent of any other possibility than pemetrexed disodium.

    Indeed, the drafter only presented one example: the disodium salt. During prosecution, the applicant tried to claim pemetrexed in general, but the examiner has rightly said that claiming pemetrexed in general is not directly and unambiguously disclosed and raised an objection under Art 123(2). The corresponding comment of Lord Neuberger and of Sir Robin Jacob that the “examiner was manifestly wrong” is anything but acceptable in view of the case law of the boards about added matter.

    Had the applicant originally filed a claim for a "pemetrexed salt" as intermediate level of generalisation, the information contained in the application as filed was insufficient to allow proper support of such a generalised claim and an objection under Art 83 would most probably have been raised. .

    It is to be noted that the applicant has never tried to file supplementary data showing that the teaching was more generally applicable, for example with other pemetrexed salts. He could also have tried to file a broader divisional defending pemetrexed as such. I would therefore claim that during prosecution before the EPO, the applicant was not in possession of any data supporting the general teaching he was trying to claim. During examination the applicant was more concerned by the definition of the equivalents/derivatives of Vitamin B12 than by a different pemetrexed salt.

    It is also worth remembering that in The Netherlands, the Court of first instance did reject the proprietor’s plea of general applicability in view of its behaviour during prosecution. This decision was later set aside, but nevertheless existed.

    When amending the description, the applicant was adamant to distinguish between the subject-matter which is relevant to the invention which is indicated as being that to which “the present invention generally relates” and “the subject matter provided by the invention” which is the subject matter claimed.

    An example of the first statement is as follows:
    [0005] ….. The present invention thus generally relates to a use in the manufacture of a medicament for improving the therapeutic utility of antifolate drugs by administering to the host undergoing treatment with a methylmalonic acid lowering agent as vitamin B12…..

    An example of the second statement is as follows:
    [0010] The invention specifically provides the use of the antifolate pemetrexed disodium in the manufacture of a medicament for use in combination therapy for inhibiting tumor growth in mammals wherein said medicament is to be administered in combination with a methylmalonic acid lowering agent selected from vitamin B12 and pharmaceutical derivatives thereof.

    The subject-matter claimed was thus limited to the use of pemetrexed disodium as the applicant had not shown that any other salt had been envisaged. The description has thus been amended and the invention limited to what was actually disclosed.

    I would infer from the decision of the UKSC that Lord Neuberger wanted to get over the famous “Improver” case law, but offered to the proprietorthe protection for an invention he had not made at the date of filing as the whole filing was exclusively about pemetrexed disodium.

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  23. Dear Max Drei,
    Comment part 2

    When amending the description, the applicant was adamant to distinguish between the subject-matter which is relevant to the invention which is indicated as being that to which “the present invention generally relates” and “the subject matter provided by the invention” which is the subject matter claimed.

    An example of the first statement is as follows:
    [0007] Furthermore, the present invention generally relates to a use in the manufacture of a medicament for inhibiting tumor growth in mammals by dministering to said mammals an effective amount of an antifolate in combination with a methylmalonic acid lowering agent.

    An example of the second statement is as follows:
    [0010] The invention specifically provides the use of the antifolate pemetrexed disodium in the manufacture of a medicament for use in combination therapy for inhibiting tumor growth in mammals wherein said medicament is to be administered in combination with a methylmalonic acid lowering agent selected from vitamin B12 and pharmaceutical derivatives thereof.

    Those two statements are thus correct and one could consider that for this part the description has been correctly adapted.

    This cannot be said of § [0005]. In this §, it is stated that “Surprisingly and unexpectedly, we have now discovered that certain toxic effects such as mortality and nonhematologic events, such as skin rashes and fatigue, caused by antifolates, as a class, can be significantly reduced by the presence of a methylmalonic acid lowering agent as vitamin B12, without adverse adversely affecting therapeutic efficacy.” The only antifolate for which this surprising and unexpected effect was at all disclosed was pemetrexed disodium.

    This can also not be said of § [0016] as granted. In this §, it is stated that “The current invention concerns the discovery that administration of a methylmalonic acid lowering agent such as vitamin B 12 or a pharmaceutical derivative thereof, in combination with an antifolate drug such as pemetrexed disodium reduces the toxicity of the said antifolate drug”.

    To me, the wording “such as” in combination with pemetrexed disodium is misleading as it boils down to a clear attempt to generalise pemetrexed disodium. There is no other alternative that pemetrexed disodium ever disclosed. In case of a single example, and in the absence of any data allowing a generalisation, “such as” should not have been allowed as implies, without the faintest support that other pemetrexed salts can be used. This part of the description thus contravenes Art 123(2). The reduction of toxicity was never demonstrated for any other salt than disodium.

    The situation is different with vitamin B12 as there is ample support for actually not limiting the teaching to vitamin B12.

    The inventive concept was indeed expressed at a level of generalisation wider than just pemetrexed disodium and certainly pemetrexed in general, or even any antifolate. This level of generalisation in § [0005] and [0016] was not supported by the single example given.

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  24. @Proof of the pudding

    I have actually never disputed that the only clause by which claims can be interpreted under the EPC is Art 69.

    The only question which has arisen in view of the diverging case law of the boards in matters of application of Art 69, is whether it should be applied systematically during prosecution before the EPO or only in limited number of situations, like a claim lacking clarity as such or in opposition.

    I have never disguised that my preference goes to the second alternative. If each and every claim has to be weighted by a department of the EPO, be it first or second instance outside the exceptional situations I have mentioned, the examination would be much longer and protracted. I doubt that the patent coming out of it would be at all better as what comes out presently.

    If we adopt the first possibility, i.e. systematic application of Art 69 at the EPO, a lot of case law can be binned: all case law relating to the notion of directly and unambiguously disclosed, i.e. relating to novelty, added matter and identity of invention when a priority.is claimed.

    Your desire of a perfect evaluation of all possible meanings of a feature in a claim is thus neither realistic nor feasible. Each independent claim contains a certain degree of generalisation. If this generalisation is supported by the disclosure as filed, I do not see any problem. In the absence of support, there are problems, not only under Art 84 but also under Art 123(2).

    When interpretations become speculative, this is a sign that there is a problem, in general of Art 123(2).

    I would like to refer here to my comments to Max Drei about the pemetrexed case. I refer here to the level of generalisation in § [0005] and [0016] of the patent as granted which was not supported by the single example given. Those two § were not correctly adapted as they went far over what had been the actual contribution to the art at the date of filing and clearly and unambiguously disclosed. During the whole prosecution the applicant never tried to show that the teaching could be generalised.

    Considerations applied by a national court are out of the reach of the EPO which has to insure that the whole of the EPC is taken care off and not just Art 69. I am thinking here of Art 54, 84, 87 and Art 123(2). I understand the desire of an applicant to push the boundaries of its contribution to the art as far as possible, but there are limits which should not be trespassed. .

    If for you any feature in a claim can only have a “roughly approximate meaning” you simply want to push the boundaries further than the actual contribution to the art.

    In the pemetrexed case the contribution to the art at the date of filing was clearly limited to pemetrexed disodium and the presence of a methylmalonic acid lowering agent. It did not apply to antifolates as a class.

    It not clear to me how a possible limitation to what has actually been disclosed can imply added matter in post grant proceedings before a national court. I am still waiting for the first example of this kind.

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    1. @DXT
      It does not help your cause, nor advance the debate here one iota, if you do not engage in good faith. Your most recent response includes examples of:
      1) failing to follow a train of thought to its logical conclusion (eg Art 69 and the EPO's "non-EPC" claim interpretation approach);
      2) shifting the debate to a different point (interpretation of Art 69 EPC) without concluding the original debate (interpretation of Art 84 EPC);
      3) "whataboutery" (eg alleged problems with a "strict" interpretation of Art 69 EPC);
      4) attacking others for allegedly holding views that they never espoused (eg: my alleged desire for a "perfect" interpretation of claim wording during EPO proceedings);
      5) maligning the motives of others (eg the allegation that I wish to "push the boundaries further than the actual contribution to the art"); and
      6) dismissing / minimising issues clearly demonstrated by others (eg the risk of added matter from limitingamendments to the description).

      To me, the presence of so many examples of failure to engage in good faith suggests that the commentator has perception bias, is wilfully blind, and reinterprets "uncomfortable" facts to make them fit with a preconceived world view.

      I also find point 5 above to be particularly amusing, in that it relies upon turning logical reasoning on its head. Wishing for more protection than that provided by the EPO's "rough approximation" of the meaning of the claims (ie the strict, literal meaning of that wording) could simply be wishing for the scope of protection afforded by Art 69 EPC and its Protocol. That Article and Protocol were drafted specifically in order to provide a fair reward for the patentee's contribution to the art. So how can wishing for such a scope of protection possibly represent pushing beyond the contribution to the art?

      Also, with regard to point 6 above, I would simply ask the following questions. Firstly, does the EPO case law not include numerous examples of addition of subject matter by limiting amendments (eg deletions from multiple lists, intermediate generalisations and insertion of non-disclosed disclaimers)? Secondly, why would the national courts not apply the same (or similar) principles from that case law when assessing the validity of pre-grant amendments to the description? Thirdly, what is language such as "not the invention according to the claims" other than a form of non-disclosed disclaimer?

      Whether you realise it or not, I have been seeking to establish the common ground between us, so that I can identify and then analyse (the reasons for) the point where our views diverge. This is not so that I can rubbish your reasoning, but instead so that I can better understand the points that you find so persuasive. Indeed, I remain open to the possibility that I might just find those points to be persuasive too. So it really is counter-productive to your cause if you do not engage in good faith ... not least because it makes me suspect that the reason you are so defensive / evasive is that you are concerned that your reasoning might not stand up to detailed scrutiny.

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    2. @Proof of the pudding,

      After careful consideration of your last comments, I have come to the conclusion that claiming that I do not answer in good faith is a disgrace and I strongly object to such a statement.

      In view of this statement I am not willing any more to answer any of your questions. Your comments and questions actually deserve a reply, but for the reasons I have just mentioned, I will leave them unanswered.

      We disagree fundamentally and that’s it. I respect your point of view, although it does not convince me, and I require respect for my point of view in spite of the fact that I did not convince you either.

      You might interpret this reply as you wish and make it known, but I am not prepared to be treated like this. I will thus not any longer engage any discussion with you.

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    3. @DXT
      I can respect your right to hold a different point of view. That is your prerogative. What my comment took aim at, however, was something different, namely your debating style. It was intended as constructive criticism and an attempt to stop the debate turning in circles. If I have said anything that is objectively unreasonable or unjustified, then I will certainly apologise.

      It may be that you intend to participate in good faith. However, those of us reading your comments can only base our conclusions upon what you actually write. Here, with the greatest of respect, I would submit that certain aspects of your debating style are one of the root causes of the debate constantly turning in circles. My dogged determination to understand why you hold your current viewpoint is certainly another reason. Maybe that is unhelpful too. But that is my cross to bear.

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  25. Dear Daniel, thank you for taking the time to set out your assessment of the pemetrexed case. Bearing in mind that I don't do chemical cases and that my education in chemistry ceased at university first year level, I should probably say no more, lest my remarks reveal greater depths of my ignorance. Nevertheless, I can't resist a short comment in reply.

    I had in mind that i) sodium and potassium are so closely adjacent in the Periodic Table that it would be more than plausible that if the disodium salt works, so will the di-potassium salt too, and ii) a patent application containing (in the application as filed) a claim at the level of generality just wide enought to include di-poassium and other equally plausible alternatives to sodium, but not much more together with iii) a description that rendered it plausible that the disodium salt would not be exclusively the only salt with a therapeutic effect. I like to think that with such drafting, the litigation would not have occurred.

    I don't know why there was no claim at this intermediate level of generality. I guess because in the drafting jurisdiction, it didn't matter. But I like to assume that the EPO does not refuse all claims except those that are limited to the exact molecule of a worked Example in the description as filed. Is there not a realtionship between Art 83 EPC and what is plausible?

    I like to think that I know why Applicant refrained from advancing belatedly a claim at the required intermediate level of generality in prosecution or in a divisional. Better never to try, than to try and be brought down by, respectively, Art 123(2) or 76 EPC. As we have seen, in that assessment, Applicant was 100% correct.

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    1. Max, the UKSC decided infringement in the pemetrexed case based upon equivalents. That is, the decisive point was the scope of protection afforded under Art 2 of the Protocol to Art 69. The UKSC found the potassium salt to fall outside of the scope of protection determined under all other provisions of the law (including the provisions that mention the description, namely Art 69(1) and Art 1 of the Protocol).

      With this in mind, I think that DXT's comments about the allegedly improper adaptation of the description in the pemetrexed case need to be taken with a large pinch of salt (no pun intended).

      I also find it strange that DXT appears to simultaneously hold the views that:
      - a more "strict" adaptation of the description (ie one making it plain that the invention was limited to the sodium salt) would have led the national to conclude that the potassium salt did not infringe; and
      - the EPO's practice that demands "strict" adaptation of the description does not in any way tie the hands of the national courts when it comes to determining the scope of protection afforded by the claims.

      I have tried in the past to point out that those views are very obviously mutually incompatible. As I recall, I received a rather unpleasant response.

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    2. Thank you, Pudding. I consider your remarks helpful, and a vindication of my invoking, yet again, the pemetrexed litigation.

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    3. Full disclosure: I strongly dislike the UKSC's decision in the pemetrexed case. The main reason for my dislike is UKSC's decision that equivalency can be decided based upon a knowledge base that includes post-filing information. With regard to sufficiency and inventive step (ie matters for which "plausibility" might come into play), this appears to set a lower patentability standard for equivalents vs. subject matter falling inside of the "ordinary" scope of the claims.

      The lower patentability standard for equivalents can produce some odd results. The pemetrexed potassium salt is a good example.

      Scenario A: the potassium salt is disclosed and claimed in the application as filed.
      Based upon the facts determined during litigation (re: lack of plausibility for efficacy of the potassium salt), the EPC2000 claim to the potassium salt would have been invalid due to insufficiency and/or lack of inventive step.

      Scenario B: what happened in real life, ie no mention of the potassium salt in the application as filed; claim at "pemetrexed" level of generality deleted in response to objections (both inventive step and added matter).
      Outcome: the potassium salt infringes by equivalence.

      This raises the question: in Scenario A, could the potassium also salt be deemed to infringe the patent by equivalency? I would have though not, given that the claim specifically directed to that salt would have been determined to be invalid (either during examination or post-grant litigation).

      Conclusion: when it comes to equivalents in the UK, the fewer ("speculative") embodiments that you mention in your application as filed, the broader protection you are likely to receive. An odd result indeed.

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    4. As will be evident from my comments above, I can understand why others might have a problem with the UKSC's decision in the pemetrexed case. However, to point the finger of blame at an allegedly "improper" adaptation of the description is to fundamentally misunderstand the reasoning behind the UKSC's decision. Moreover, using amendments to the description to try to prevent pemetrexed-like outcomes (ie where an embodiment encompassed by subject matter objected to during prosecution is captured as an equivalent during post-grant litigation) would be:
      (a) exceeding the EPO's remit;
      (b) taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut; and
      (c) ineffective against straightforward work-arounds.

      With regard to (a), one might ask what business the EPO has in taking action (eg by demanding insertion of wording such as "not the invention according to the claims") to police how national courts go about deciding infringement by equivalence.

      As for (b), I have previously explained at length the invalidity risks that will be generated when a description is adapted according to the EPO's practice. To generate those risks in every case seems a somewhat disproportionate reaction to what is only one decision in one EPC member state ... especially as, in due course, that decision will surely be followed by others that help to restore a semblance of legal certainty around the issue of equivalents.

      For the reasons discussed below, however, it is point (c) that perhaps provides the revealing insight into the thinking behind the EPO's practice.

      One option for dealing with "inconsistencies" in the description is to simply delete the offending matter. Whilst that will bring its own risks, it is a better option if one is seeking to maintain a broad scope with regard to equivalents. For example, in the pemetrexed case, the applicant could have deleted the "offending" paragraphs (such as 5, 10 and 16) and replaced them with wording along the lines of "The present invention relates to the subject matter defined in the attached claims". This would have satisfied the EPO's current practice. However, it would not have prompted the UKSC to reach a different decision on equivalents.

      Because there is a simple work-around with regard to equivalents, it is necessary to ask: in what way does the EPO's current practice help to increase legal certainty?

      One answer could be that the practice is not aimed at equivalents, but instead at the "ordinary" scope of a claim. But that would make the practice ineffective in EPC member states whose national courts have adopted a UKSC-like approach to determining equivalency.

      Another answer could be that the EPO did not realise that permitting the deletion of problematic passages would provide applicants with such an easy work-around.

      Either way, if the EPO's thinking was to develop a practice aimed at increasing legal certainty, then they have failed. And they have done so spectacularly.

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    5. Dear Max Drei,

      I am not a chemist either, and my considerations on the pemetrexed case were triggered by your comment.

      I maintain that the attitude of the applicant during the whole prosecution was let’s put it like this, rather strange. It is only possible to conclude that the applicant did not have the data at hand allowing to make a generalisation plausible.

      I also maintain that the pemetrexed case is exemplary of an incomplete adaptation of the description.

      You might feel vindicated of invoking, yet again, the pemetrexed litigation. I am not convinced of this.

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  26. And so once again the pemetrexed decision comes up, and once again we go off on a series of tangents that have, at best, marginal relevance to the actual issue of concern.

    We all understand that DXT seems to be particularly aggrieved by the pemetrexed decisions - or perhaps just by the decision of the UK Supreme Court? It would be interesting to know whether the decisions of other national courts in this litigation are also so upsetting to you, and if so why.

    However, let's try to get the discussion back on track:

    It is completely irrelevant what a retired judge said, in a different forum, about a decision which he was not involved with.

    It is completely irrelevant why certain claims or statements at various levels of generalisation were present, or not present, in the pemetrexed application as originally filed.

    It is completely irrelevant whether or not the EPO was right to object under Article 123(2).

    It is completely irrelevant what amendments were made during prosecution, and why.

    What is relevant is the content of the patent as granted by the EPO and what influence, if any, the granted description had on the interpretation of the granted claims.

    With that in mind, can we please try to refocus on the actual problem?

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    1. Mouse, I agree with you, to the extent that what is relevant is what influence the description in the B publication has on the interpretation of the claims under Art 69, EPC. And what we are arguing about is whether strict conformity under The Guidelines might have the consequence that a claim of the granted patent which, absent strict confomity, would have been held infringed under the DoE, is held not to infringe as a consequence of the imposition of strict conformity.

      DXT has indicated that the pemetrexed case might be what stimulated the Guidelines authors inside the EPO to toughen up on the conformity issue. My point is that the courts in the pemetrexed case decided in favour of the patent owner. What if strict conformity ("not the invention") would have obliged the courts to come to the opposite conclusion, in accordance with the wishes of the authors of the most recent edition of the Guidelines. Can that be right? I think not, but DXT disagrees with me. This is why I think that the pemetrexed fact matrix is useful for exploring the "strict conformity" issue.

      If that is still not focussing on "the actual problem" and "the issue of concern", readers, I apologise.

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    2. Max, I can agree with your comment there. My point - which was not aimed at you specifically, and I am sorry if you perceived it that way - is that it does not advance the debate one jot for us to speculate on why the application was drafted as it was, or to go on lengthy digressions about the policy rationale underlying Article 69, or to debate added matter, and so on. These do not focus on the central points which you identify above, and simply provide DXT with further opportunity to steer the conversation in circles on side issues again rather than addressing the core of the debate.

      I can fully agree with you that we want to know whether "strict conformity" would have changed the outcome of the decision. My point is that we can address this thought experiment without all the tangents above. We know what the granted specification said, and what influence that had (or did not have!) on the judge's approach to the question of equivalents. The starting point for the counterfactual scenario is therefore relatively straightforward to establish: all we need to do is imagine that the specification was amended to either remove all references to anything other than the salt named in the claims; or to mark such references as being "not the invention" - whether or not we agree that such an approach is, in actual fact, correct. With that starting point in mind we can then try to establish why, in DXT's view, this would both have changed the outcome while at the same time, in no way "tying the hands of the court" in its conclusions.

      What I was trying to convey is that it is perfectly possible to imagine this counterfactual without needing to speculate on why the application was drafted as it was, or getting into quasi-theological discussions on topics such as what the "invention" was, whether the EPO was justified in its objections during examination, or how plausibility might or might not come into any of the above.

      I fear that whenever pemetrexed comes up, too many commenters are getting bogged down in these points and ending up talking past one another without shedding any further light on the issue. I am trying, desperately, to issue a plea for all parties to keep the pemetrexed discussion focused on the central issue of the relationship between the description and the claims of the patent as granted in that specific case, and the question of whether a different description - which we can readily imagine, whether we agree with it or not - would have led to a different outcome. This is in the hope that this exercise might then illustrate a principle of wider applicability, and help to further refine the points of real legal disagreement between the sides of the debate. Everything else, I submit, is an unhelpful distraction which simply provides more opportunities for bad-faith whataboutery.

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    3. Thank you, Mouse, for expressing it better than I could have done myself. The thing I like about pemetrexed is the indisputable facts that i) the claim says sodium but nevertheless ii) courts all around Europe found something other than sodium to be within the scope of protection of that claim.

      Would the practice laid down by the current edition of The Guidelines have resulted in a different outcome in the courts? I think that is a question worth exploring, especially if the motivation for the strictness of the current Guidelines was indeed (as has been suggested earlier in these comment threads) born out of revulsion inside the EPO for the outcome of the pemetrexed litigation

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    4. Dear Max Drei,

      I am not a chemist either, and my considerations on the pemetrexed case were triggered by your comment.

      I maintain that the attitude of the applicant during the whole prosecution was let’s put it like this, rather strange. It is only possible to conclude that the applicant did not have the data at hand allowing to make a generalisation plausible.

      I also maintain that the pemetrexed case is exemplary of an incomplete adaptation of the description.

      You might feel vindicated of invoking, yet again, the pemetrexed litigation. I am not convinced of this.

      As far as I am concerned, the chapter adaptation of the description is closed and I can leave with the fact that we disagree. This is part of life’s rich tapestry.

      I might just add that when looking at the rate at which patents are maimed during opposition, the discussion on the adaptation of the description, as important as it might appear to some, will most probably become of secondary importance.

      Barely 15% of the oppositions are rejected after appeal and more than 50% of the decisions of ODs are set aside by the boards after appeal. Basis: published decisions of the BA after appeal in opposition. My guess is that number of cases in which the decision of the OD are not appealed is relatively small, so that the trend is nevertheless clear.

      Some will say that I am trying to switch the subject, but this is to me a much bigger bother than adapting the description. What is it god to have or not an adapted description when a patent is revoked or maintained in limited form, to a large extent on the basis of prior art which was manifestly not found during the initial search.

      You certainly have heard about the IP Charter. Its conclusions are disputed by the EPO, but in my humble opinion, they appear to have a point.

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    5. OK, Daniel, we can agree that the subject of adaptation of the description has been done to death in various threads. We can agree to disagree, sure.

      My position is that of a European patent attorney with a client who is the Applicant for patent, all over the world, including the EPO. For decades, I have been championing the EPO and its established case law, as the world's best Patent Office and arbiter of patentability. But the vexatious current issue of conforming the description to meet the onerous requirements of the current Guidelines, and to the satisfaction of various zealous EPO Examiners keen to please the EPO's internal Quality Managers, is problematic for me because I have difficulty defending it against the criticisms of my clients.

      I suspect that your experience is different from mine, and that this explains why at this stage of the debate, we must, amicably I hope, agree to disagree.

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  27. A couple more observations.

    Regarding the interpretation of claims during prosecution, T 1705/17 states : “A claim should be interpreted in a technically sensible manner and be given the broadest, technically reasonable interpretation and should be construed by a mind willing to understand, not a mind desirous of misunderstanding. Thus, the skilled person should only rule out interpretations which are illogical or which do not make technical sense”. Is this not the principle generally accepted under the case law of the EPO ?

    As to pemetrexed , it may be misleading to only refer to the decision of the UK Supreme Court. This disregards the fact that the European courts unanimously decided along the same line as the UK Supreme Court.

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